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Posted 2008-02-18, 11:41 PM in reply to Adrenachrome's post starting "First I do not agree that waterboarding..."
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First I do not agree that waterboarding is torture, I am most certainly not a bigot, or even a right winger. But I do agree with your side of the story, in much the same way I feel about the death penalty. If the system was perfect I would never see a problem with executing proven murderers, but the fact is it is not, there have been people in recent history proven innocent after they were executed.
Well, the death penalty is another issue altogether. Even for Osama I would not advocate the death penalty.

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But we're not talking about death here. I think breaking legs, and fingers, cutting body parts off. Impalement, ugh anyway that's what represents torture to me.
Torture does not necessarily have to leave permanent physical damage. For instance, I would consider rape torture, though it most often does not leave permanent physical damage.

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How would you go about getting the information out of them?
I would hire someone more qualified, first of all. Secondly, I would ensure that they tried more conventional means.
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Posted 2008-02-19, 06:34 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, the death penalty is another..."
I don't see how you can even claim for or against waterboarding when it has not happened to you. It makes you feel like you're going to drown, and what they tell you on FoxNews is the sugar coated version of the story, you and I both know very well that behind closed doors shit is a lot worse than what we're being spoon fed.

I'd like to think we could have better means of extracting "information" than waterboarding.

Now, let's back it up a few steps, what the fuck even is the poing of waterboarding and worrying so greatly about trying to extract information that may even in itself be insignificant. Remember 9/11? Apparently we had been tipped off about it a good year in advance, we knew it was going to happen, and yet we couldn't stop it. There had been detainees and intelligence pointing to an attack on America, they could even get it down to a specific time of the year, and we still couldn't stop it. So how does torturing people that may or may not have had anything to specfically do with it justifying our bitterness that they caught us with our pants around our ankles?... It doesn't














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