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Posted 2008-06-12, 05:04 PM in reply to jamer123's post starting "the universe started when god created..."
I agree with what you said jamer. Even if it isn't true, well, it's a good enough explanation. Throughout history many people have believed in a creator. From my understanding, it wasn't until most recently that scientists have been trying to explain things.
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Posted 2008-06-12, 06:44 PM in reply to MidnightsChorus's post starting "I agree with what you said jamer. Even..."
Scientists have disputed the Church's theories on the universe since long ago. Many of them have been put to death for their cause.
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Posted 2008-06-13, 07:59 AM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "Scientists have disputed the Church's..."
That's why some are compelled to say the Catholic Church is corrupt
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Posted 2008-06-13, 12:16 PM in reply to Wallow's post starting "That's why some are compelled to say..."
If turning a blind eye to decades of child molestation is corrupt, then yes. Only when their very survival is in question do they do anything.
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Posted 2008-06-13, 10:44 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "If turning a blind eye to decades of..."
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If turning a blind eye to decades of child molestation is corrupt, then yes. Only when their very survival is in question do they do anything.
Catholic priests are not the only ones who have committed the horrible act of child molestation. They are fallible human beings, just like everyone else. They do, however, seem to be the most recognized for it. The reason, quite simply, is the fact that people have been trying to destroy the church through any means they can.
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Posted 2008-06-13, 11:09 PM in reply to MidnightsChorus's post starting "Catholic priests are not the only ones..."
Child molestation over such a massive scale and over such an extended period of time would be big news ANYWHERE. One 16-year-old boy fucks a young teacher and it's news, let alone hundreds being molested in clusters.

The reason why it's so ironic is because they're supposed to not just be normal, fallible human beings. They're supposed to be speaking on behalf of God. Which reinforces the absurdity of any one group or book being the word of 'God.' They're just normal human beings and do not have things figured out more than any of us.
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Posted 2008-06-13, 11:17 PM in reply to MidnightsChorus's post starting "Catholic priests are not the only ones..."
And the church has been trying to silence people seeking other answers to things for the longest time. Can you blame people for not liking them?

Scientists were often RUINED or KILLED for even saying that there could be a different explaination for things. For instance, saying that Earth isn't the center of the Universe. The church wouldn't even consider that they might be wrong about something, because that indicates that the Bible is wrong about something. Instead, they put people to death for simply suggesting that there was evidence that disputed what was accepted as the truth.

The church basically doesn't care about silencing the truth, it just cares about maintaining its control over the people. If the Bible says that the Earth is the center of the Universe, and science proves that that is wrong, it makes it a bit harder to believe that the Bible is the word of God. If the Bible were the word of God, you would think that it would be right about something like whether or not the Earth is the center of the Universe.
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Posted 2008-06-14, 11:12 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "And the church has been trying to..."
Willkillforfood said:
The reason why it's so ironic is because they're supposed to not just be normal, fallible human beings.
Yes, i sort of agree with you there. It is something that is more shameful for a priest to do. The other priests who hear about this happening are very hurt. It's no less than betrayel.

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Scientists were often RUINED or KILLED for even saying that there could be a different explaination for things
Yes. I admit that the church did go through a period of corruption. However, this only proves that the ordained priests are not God and therefore have the ability to be led astray. There has been many cases where very sinful men have joined the priesthood for the sole purpose of destroying the church from the inside. This is when catholics have to hold onto what the church is supposed to be.

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The church basically doesn't care about silencing the truth, it just cares about maintaining its control over the people.
They don't try to control people, not any more at least. I've never felt controlled. In the case of silencing truth, however, you are partially right. There are some churches where the clergy is so corrput that it will not even allow their own priests to speak what they believe to be truth. What men make the church out to be, and what Catholicism is essentially about are two completely different things.
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