Bible Codes, Discuss.

So How Does This Apply to the Bible?

The first ELSs discovered were found in the Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, which were ostensibly written by Moses, the prophet who led his people out of Egypt.

More than 50 years ago, a Jewish rabbi (H.M.D. Weissmandel) noted that if you start with a T (tav) in the first verse of the book of Genesis, skip 50 letters, pick up a V (vav), skip another 50 letters, pick up an R (resh), skip another 50 letters, and pick up an H (heh), you have TVRH, or Torah as it is spelled in Hebrew.

Now this occurs, mind you, not only in the first book of the Torah, but also in the first verses of the books of Exodus and Numbers. It also appears in the first chapter of the book of Deuteronomy. In each case there is also a skip of exactly 50 letters.

Where the Codes Began to Attract Worldwide Attention

The discovery of these first Torah codes was not necessarily eyebrow-lifting, however. Any author, human or otherwise, could have intentionally embedded such codes within a text. What heightens eyebrows are codes, embedded, mind you, thousands of years ago, about contemporary people and events.

For example, Drosnin begins his book, The Bible Code, with a show-stopping claim: the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in November 1995 was foretold by hidden Hebrew codes in the ancient text of the Bible.

What’s more, Drosnin also found the name of the assassin, Amir, as a code near the original ones, as well as a code which meant, "name of assassin." Furthermore, a code for Tel Aviv, the city where the shooting occurred was also discovered, as well as a code for the year when it occurred.

Keep Going . . . It Gets Better

Drosnin doesn't stop with the Rabin codes, however. He goes on to present numerous clusters of codes that would be astounding if only they were not coincidental.

Here is a sampler of codes that are displayed in crossword clusters:

* Economic collapse, the depression, 1929 and stocks.

* Atomic holocaust and 1945.

* Watergate and "Who is he? President, but he was kicked out."

* World War and atomic holocaust.


While all of these are bad events, Drosnin also presents a few positive clusters:

* Wright brothers and airplane.

* Shakespeare, presented on stage, Macbeth and Hamlet.

* Newton and gravity.

* Edison, electricity and light bulb.

* Fall of, communism, Russian, in China next.


I've seen newer ones that have a ton more in them. If you watch those documentaries, they actually show the matrices and box out the words. It gets really convincing.

EDIT: I just noticed, it says these are from Drosnin's first book, which might be why I've seen newer ones with more in them, because it was his first book that really started the interest.

Of course, it could just all be a coincidence.

Drosnin said ELS could only be found in the bible, which was not true. There have been other ELS's found, referring to modern day events, one of them comming from the book Moby dick.

[copypaste]Drosnin also used the flexibility of Hebrew orthography to his advantage, freely mixing classic (no vowels, Y and W strictly consonant) and modern (Y and W used to indicate i and u vowels) modes, as well as variances in spelling of K and T, to wrench out the desired meaning.[/copypaste]

I dont know what to think about this, maybe it's some sort of higher power, maybe it's coincidence...

All I have to say is that whoever wrote the bibile must have been a fucking huge genious anyways right? I mean its the fucking bible, we swear on it in court? So of course this person having all this amazing writing ability surley could have put in many such hidden nuances and such. Maybe some we haven't found out about. Like a Christ era Bungie game. Lots of easter eggs.
Do you guys remeber the debug mode for Sonic 1(and 2?) where you could like turn into anything, make thousand of stuff and fly.

this stuff is fun.. i like cryptography.

You know in school when you do cross word puzzles, and you're looking for a certain word, and you always end up finding words that aren't on the list. That's kinda what this is.

But were they put there? Probably not, if they wanted us to know the future they would have said "OMFG COMET HITTING THE EARTH, YEAR = 2012"

But they Mayans came out and said the "Earth Calendar" ends 2012.

Well, that is what made me a little less skeptical about this, because of the mayan calendar, and the whole 2012 prediction from the codes.

I watch a documentary thing about Bible codes on History channel, kind of hard to keep up with these guys, but supposively they've found like volumes of this shit and our futures. But it doesn't make sense.

You must be watching a different one then, because the two I watched were pretty well organized. They did go a bit fast, but it wasn't hard to keep up or anything.

i don't believe they are signifigant, but they are hard for me to ignore because i find cryptography interesting.

i don't believe they are signifigant, but they are hard for me to ignore because i find cryptography interesting.

Again, you're implying that they are insignificant, yet they are cryptography. If these are encrypted codes, then their was some comical, genius prophet who embedded these codes in the translated version of Drosnin's Torah. If not, then this is simply data mining, and therefore can not be considered cryptography. Which do you believe?

I don't think any of us know enough about the subject to come up w. a relevant answer.

I don't think any of us know enough about the subject to come up w. a relevant answer.

Well, if by relevant answer, you mean definite answer, then you're correct in your assertion. Nobody here knows enough about the Bible codes to give definite answers. But really, in that case, we don't know enough about anything to give a relevant answer on any subject. If this were the case, that would defeat the whole purpose of the thread. I don't think KA wanted definite answers, just what people thought about the Bible codes.

On the other hand, though, the whole concept is pretty simple. I'm not a mathematician, but it's not hard to see that all this is data mining. We do know enough to make logical guesses about the Bible code.

Ever read the book "The Rule of Four"???

It's a book about a book more or less...the Hypnerotomachia Poliphili (WOW! Got the spellig right first time......)...a book written by a scholar in the Renaissance that is full of hidden riddles and the such...kinda like the Bible?? If, and it's a very long shot, if there is such thing as the bible codes.

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Hey, I just noticed, that thread is one I started......

Which Bible is it that Drosnin originally found these codes on? The original Bible that Christ's apostles wrote, or the Bible that has been defiled by thousands of retranslations?

For example, Drosnin begins his book, The Bible Code, with a show-stopping claim: the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in November 1995 was foretold by hidden Hebrew codes in the ancient text of the Bible.

dsgsdhsdhsdhsdhsdhsdhdshhgshsjrtjsrkytyhnt jdtyn dty dntydn tyn ny dtyn tryj srt er gsd

dsgsdhsdhsdhsdhsdhsdhdshhgshsjrtjsrkytyhnt jdtyn dty dntydn tyn ny dtyn tryj srt er gsd

According to religious experts, nobody has a letter-by-letter original of the bible. Even the oldest manuscripts have slight variations. Also, from my research, the original Torah didn't have any vowels, therefore a string of seemingly allusive letters is open for many different inerpretations.

Anyway, the bible codes are a mere coincidence. They've been found in other books as well, and I've provided pictures to them. I believed 6 months ago, as I do now, that the bible codes are a hoax. This isn't the first time that such chimerical codes have been derived from holy scripture either. The early Hebrews had developed a code known as Gematria, so this type of fanciful imagination is not to be unexpected; but that does not keep it from being merely coincidential.

Drosnin has told us that the Bible codes have been correctly able to postdict (new word) many modern historical events. I've heard that he correctly figured the evil of Hitler, the production of Hamlet, the death of Rabin, and the discovery of the comet named Swift, along with plenty of other stuff; some named by KA above. He also predicted that the comet would collide with the Earth in 2006. So if that doesn't happen, we should ignore the Bible codes completely, right? Wrong! Drosnin states that the Bible codes can not be used to correctly make predictions about the future. He says that the Bible code uncovers probablities and not definites. How convenient.

In the mathematical world and scientific world, there is almost universal denial of these codes. Rips, the man credited with discovering the code, claims that any prediction these codes make are merely coincidence. Furthermore, Dave Thomas has applied this code to the book War and Peace and has been able to correctly postdict significant events, as has Brendan Mckay when he applied these codes to Moby Dick. Statistically, these codes could be applied to just about any piece of literature, and such "codes" could be found. I provided images in the other thread, if you haven't already seen them.

In fact, Tolstoy even favored the Chicago Bull, and what do you know, Michael Jordan, in War and Peace. Dave Thomas released his report two months before the Bulls won their championship by using the code in the book.



Coincidence or prophecy? You decide.

Actually I thought he predicted it would be in 2012? Maybe I'm wrong.