Bible Codes, Discuss.
 

Tell me what you think about bible codes. If you don't know what they are, learn about them real quick, it's something worth knowing about, and has nothing to do with religion.

I think they're full of shit...I need proof that they can acctually read them...sure I can show someone a book that spells out words out of every other letter of the word in the book and has a futuristic meaning, but they'll be like...OMFG HOW did u kNOW!?

Didn't seem to be too easy to 'learn real quick' Why don't you give us the scoop.

Well they've got plenty of information to back it up, plenty of examples.

I think the guy that discovered it just happened to notice it somehow, not quite sure.

Basically, supposedly, if you take a matrix of letters from any part of one of the first 5 books of the old hebrew bible, you can find words if use letters, let's say, every 21 letters. They've done this, and found related words in matrices, such as Hitler, Holocaust, blah blah blah. Supposedly they've found the end of the world as well.

I really don't know a TON about it, but I've watched the two documentaries on The History Channel about them, and they are quite convincing.

Well, shinto was being pretty stupid there and didn't sound like he knew anything about it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Because the Bible has nothing to do with religion.

I pwn you all. Hahahah Grav on the off chance that those Bibles hold the truth (off chance) your friend is fucked... He won't be winning the after life lottery, I'll just put it that way.

It doesn't support any religion in any way, it just happens to come from the bible. It doesn't have anything to do with what the bible says or anything, it just uses part of it.

You know me, I'm not religious, and I don't claim to be a Christian. I personally think the bible is a load of shit. It teaches lessons and that's about it. It's just a book of stories.

I don't anything bout them, but it seems there could be some truth to them. I'm sure stranger things have happened. But if you can take a matrix of letters from any part then why couldn't you just do that w/ a normal book and make words like Hilter and Holocaust?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_codes

There's a crash corse on it. Closest thing to it I can find. I'm not guaranteeing everything in that is right (it's user submitted) but usually wikipedia has it right on.

My thoughts: http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....5&page=1&pp=40

After about the 8th or 9th post.

I've already read what you said. I don't want your view if you're just going to use those. Shinto didn't even give you the facts, because there aren't any. He said the bible codes can predict the future. That's just a theory.

All I want is to know what you people think about this topic after reading up on it or watching something about it.

I stand by what I said before. It's bullshit, in my opinion. It would be just as sane to try and find hidden messages in the Power Rangers and base your prophecy off of that.

This is so ass backwards. It's obvious that there are some coincidences in the Bible when set up in a matrix of letters. It is also possible that these coincidences are actually not coincidences. It seems to me that you are all just arguing how high the odds that these coincidences are actually not coincidences are, which is a retarded thing to argue about.

Who is arguing about anything?

So How Does This Apply to the Bible?

The first ELSs discovered were found in the Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, which were ostensibly written by Moses, the prophet who led his people out of Egypt.

More than 50 years ago, a Jewish rabbi (H.M.D. Weissmandel) noted that if you start with a T (tav) in the first verse of the book of Genesis, skip 50 letters, pick up a V (vav), skip another 50 letters, pick up an R (resh), skip another 50 letters, and pick up an H (heh), you have TVRH, or Torah as it is spelled in Hebrew.

Now this occurs, mind you, not only in the first book of the Torah, but also in the first verses of the books of Exodus and Numbers. It also appears in the first chapter of the book of Deuteronomy. In each case there is also a skip of exactly 50 letters.

Where the Codes Began to Attract Worldwide Attention

The discovery of these first Torah codes was not necessarily eyebrow-lifting, however. Any author, human or otherwise, could have intentionally embedded such codes within a text. What heightens eyebrows are codes, embedded, mind you, thousands of years ago, about contemporary people and events.

For example, Drosnin begins his book, The Bible Code, with a show-stopping claim: the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in November 1995 was foretold by hidden Hebrew codes in the ancient text of the Bible.

What’s more, Drosnin also found the name of the assassin, Amir, as a code near the original ones, as well as a code which meant, "name of assassin." Furthermore, a code for Tel Aviv, the city where the shooting occurred was also discovered, as well as a code for the year when it occurred.

Keep Going . . . It Gets Better

Drosnin doesn't stop with the Rabin codes, however. He goes on to present numerous clusters of codes that would be astounding if only they were not coincidental.

Here is a sampler of codes that are displayed in crossword clusters:

* Economic collapse, the depression, 1929 and stocks.

* Atomic holocaust and 1945.

* Watergate and "Who is he? President, but he was kicked out."

* World War and atomic holocaust.


While all of these are bad events, Drosnin also presents a few positive clusters:

* Wright brothers and airplane.

* Shakespeare, presented on stage, Macbeth and Hamlet.

* Newton and gravity.

* Edison, electricity and light bulb.

* Fall of, communism, Russian, in China next.


I've seen newer ones that have a ton more in them. If you watch those documentaries, they actually show the matrices and box out the words. It gets really convincing.

EDIT: I just noticed, it says these are from Drosnin's first book, which might be why I've seen newer ones with more in them, because it was his first book that really started the interest.

Of course, it could just all be a coincidence.

Drosnin said ELS could only be found in the bible, which was not true. There have been other ELS's found, referring to modern day events, one of them comming from the book Moby dick.

[copypaste]Drosnin also used the flexibility of Hebrew orthography to his advantage, freely mixing classic (no vowels, Y and W strictly consonant) and modern (Y and W used to indicate i and u vowels) modes, as well as variances in spelling of K and T, to wrench out the desired meaning.[/copypaste]

I dont know what to think about this, maybe it's some sort of higher power, maybe it's coincidence...

All I have to say is that whoever wrote the bibile must have been a fucking huge genious anyways right? I mean its the fucking bible, we swear on it in court? So of course this person having all this amazing writing ability surley could have put in many such hidden nuances and such. Maybe some we haven't found out about. Like a Christ era Bungie game. Lots of easter eggs.
Do you guys remeber the debug mode for Sonic 1(and 2?) where you could like turn into anything, make thousand of stuff and fly.

this stuff is fun.. i like cryptography.