Why Gay Marriage Matters

Bigots should die.

that is beyond rediculous. i can't even think of a more fitting word than that. it's fucking pathetic what this world is coming to

I can not even think of a reason not to allow same sex marraiges, Or atleast some form of recognized civil union.

The only thing I don't like about homosexuality is it's glorification.
I went to my little cousin's high school and it's like they think it's cool to be gay or something.. And wtf are gay rights, aside from the union issue wtf right should they have that they do not have already? Should they have more rights than straight people? 'cause the way I understand it, all human beings are guarunteed the same rights.

I can not even think of a reason not to allow same sex marraiges, Or atleast some form of recognized civil union. The only thing I don't like about homosexuality is it's glorification. I went to my little cousin's high school and it's like they think it's cool to be gay or something.. And wtf are gay rights, aside from the union issue wtf right should they have that they do not have already? Should they have more rights than straight people? 'cause the way I understand it, all human beings are guarunteed the same rights.

I believe when the gay community talks about "gay rights" they are generally refering to the rights that other people have, but they are denied, based solely on the fact that they are gay.

In theory, all human beings are guaranteed the same rights, but in practice it just isn't so. Based on your social status, financial status, race, sexuality, etc, you either gain or lose multiple rights that other people either have or don't have.

A good example of a "gay right" which homosexuals are denied would be marriage. This is what people are talking about when they say they are "for gay rights." It isn't that they wants rights of their own that nobody else can have, it's that they want rights that everyone else has but they are denied.

Well put, but can you produce, other than marraige, any rights that gays have been denied because they are gay?

Of course.

Quite often, homosexuals are denied employment or housing based solely on the fact that they are homosexual. Homosexuals are often victims of hate crimes of all sorts. Homosexuals also often cannot adopt, which is particularly unfortunate for homosexual men because they cannot have babies any other way. Homosexuals also cannot serve in the military without hiding the fact that they are homosexual.

It's really no different from any other "subordinate" group. Blacks are denied rights solely because they are black, homeless people are denied rights solely because they are homeless. It's also, quite often, things that are not immediately obvious to the dominant groups(you and I,) because it is things we take for granted.

Anyway, as for homosexuals, marriage is obviously the big one, because without being allowed to marry, they're also denied a lot of other rights and benefits that you gain WHEN you get married. Gay marriage is a lot bigger than simply homosexuals not being allowed to marry. Not being allowed to marry denies you a lot of other things, as well.

I agree with you KA, and I may also have picked up on why I come off as a bigot to you sometimes. You see, I do not see myself as a part of a group, I do not see my gay neighbors as part of a group, my half mexican half black friend at work is just Daniel. My neighbors are just Ray and Frank rather than a part of the 'homosexual group'

I see them as individuals, and to me individual rights are the most important rights of all. I see in so many ways the rights of groups trample all over the rights of the individual, for example If you were an employer two people come and apply for a position you have available, one ethnic or gay, the other white. Now for the purpose of this point the white man is credibly more qualified to perform the tasks you need performed. So you hire him.

Now the other applicant (ethnic or gay) even though it can be proven that he is less qualified (for no other reason than to show this point) sues for discrimination.

Now in this situation the only person who's rights are infringed upon is you. You are the sole victim in this situation, you the individual. To cut this rant short, a group mentality is an illness, it is destroying individual liberties.

Discrimination is a problem, but look at who really gets punished in the name of a group.