More Bush Double Talk on Waterboarding

I don't see how this is torture, it doesn't cause pain or physical damage. They will recover. Also it does not apply to the 8th amendment, it is not punishment for a crime. I think something as tame as waterboarding should be widely used to extract vital information from suspected terrorists.

We can't waterboard, but they can lock school kids in a burning building because their faces arent covered, they can shoot them in the back, they can stone women to death for being seen in public with an unrelated male, burn people alive, ect.

But we cant dunk their fucking heads in water to possibly save thousands of lives, what the fuck.

Wow, you're out of your mind. Get back on those meds.

I don't see how this is torture

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=448717

so what dude, he's fine, got scared, yet survived totally unscathed.

It's not like his fingernails are being pulled off, or his testicles blowtorched. Point is the waterborded will survive, the victims of a bomb WILL NOT.

So you are willing to trade a few minutes of discomfort to one person for the lives of possible thousands of terror bomb victims..... right

Yea...see...

I have this outrageous ideas that the ends don't justify the means. How evil of me.

Yes it is outrageous, It's absolutely absurd, you would rather see countless people die than to have one terrorism suspect have water poured on his face. Un fucking believable

Yea. My ethics are wrong. Love the tolerance from the right!

Then again, I'm just an anti-american moron!! HAR HAR HAR!

See, I have these things called ethical standards. And while I hate seeing people die, I'm not ready to compromise these standards. You know, those standards, such as basic human dignity and rights? Any of this ringing bell? Making any sense? No? Of course not. I wouldn't expect a right-winged, gun-toting, jingoistic bigot to get it. As long as you're in the position of safety and power, we can take those basic human rights and burn them. Who gives a fuck, right? Riiight?

So yea. I'm against torture in its entirety. I think that the ends don't justify the means. I'm of the opinion that torture makes us worse than them. If that makes me evil in your eyes, so be it. You're the one whose so paranoid about a military state? Seems awfully hypocritical of you to give them the ability to torture.

First I do not agree that waterboarding is torture, I am most certainly not a bigot, or even a right winger. But I do agree with your side of the story, in much the same way I feel about the death penalty. If the system was perfect I would never see a problem with executing proven murderers, but the fact is it is not, there have been people in recent history proven innocent after they were executed.

But we're not talking about death here. I think breaking legs, and fingers, cutting body parts off. Impalement, ugh anyway that's what represents torture to me.

You point out my wariness of a police state, it's already here. And it's because of your side of the equasion, it's so easy for you liberals to give give give, when it's someone els' dollars, but I don't want to pay for someone to sit on their ass and make babies while I bust my ass 60 hours a week for what I need. And the government lets me keep some of what I earn, what I spent the majority of my life doing, my time my body my labor. They let me keep some. And at any given time a politician by dipping into my pockets can buy some quick votes from the "less fortunate" Does that make make me more fortunate? NO I make decisions that earn me what I have, I have never recieved a handout in order to get where I am, not by luck, by hard work. And when you tell me I am just more fortunate it trivializes all of my effort.

I believe in personal responsibility not government welfare. It's a sickness that has, does, and will destroy great nations.

So back on track, if you were a federal agent, in possession of an islamic extremist, you have him in custody because someone turned him in believing they have information vital to prevent an attack and save hundreds possibly thousands of lives. How would you get the information?