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Posted 2006-01-06, 10:43 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I'm fucking alive. Italian morons."
i believe in the gospel of mark. Mark states that Jesus was human til he was baptised in the Jordan by John the Baptist. He then became Christ Jesus and his fate would lead to the resurrection. Jesus's power on earth was equal to the power of evil so thats why it wasnt apparent to his apostles that he was indeed the son of man.

Now the son of man was originally written by Daniel, an apocalyptic jew (in other words thought that the world would end soon), wrote about a Jewish man being risen from this world into the heavens where God gave him the power and ability to defeat the captors of the Jewish land, at this time which was the syrians. This Jewish man would be a messiah, king, and would rule over the jewish lands. Many people believed in this and preached this word. But as we all know, the MacaBees used gorilla warefare to defeat the syrians and drove them off the land. Instead of calling Daniel a liar, they stored his writtings so that maybe one day they could look back on them and see the true son of man.

Eventually, the Romans came and took over the land, and people once again looked towards the Daniel (to be more accurate, Daniel 7) writtings.

Most theologians believe that Jesus thought he was the forerunner of the messiah. He was brought to this world to pave the way for the king. He was an apocalyptic jew and preached the writtings of Daniel 7. Much how Jesus thought of himself, is how we think of John the Baptist, because we believe as christians that John paved the way for Jesus.

After Jesus was baptisted, he fought evil be doing exorcisms on evil spirits. If you read the gospel of Mark, the demons know Jesus as the son of man, but his apostles do not. Again, Mark's view of Jesus is not the all powerful one that we believe in today. He's actually the weakest of all 4 gospels. To prove this, if we look at the resurrection, Jesus asks why god has forsaken him, whereas John writes Jesus proclaims that his death "is done."

Just something to think about. This meeting has no significant meaning what so ever. Just give up already and let our German pope (Nazi) do his thing
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Posted 2006-01-08, 03:59 PM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "i believe in the gospel of mark. Mark..."
What denomination teaches that Jesus 'became the Son of God' when he was baptized? He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, True God and True Man. I'm a WELS Lutheran, and that is my belief. He came to earth to die for our sins and rise again.
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Posted 2006-01-08, 04:05 PM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "What denomination teaches that Jesus..."
Sounds pointless in my opinion
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Posted 2006-01-08, 04:26 PM in reply to Acer's post starting "Sounds pointless in my opinion"
Arguing religion is as pointless as fighting on the internet.
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Posted 2006-01-08, 07:31 PM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "Arguing religion is as pointless as..."
well if u dont believe me, then read the gospel of mark. Nowhere does it state that he was the son of god before the baptism. After he was baptised in the jordon the skies opened and all that good stuff happened. Plus, the book of mark starts with that story becuase thats what he believed in. Look it up if u dont believe me
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Posted 2006-01-08, 09:35 PM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "well if u dont believe me, then read..."
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well if u dont believe me, then read the gospel of mark. Nowhere does it state that he was the son of god before the baptism. After he was baptised in the jordon the skies opened and all that good stuff happened. Plus, the book of mark starts with that story becuase thats what he believed in. Look it up if u dont believe me
How would looking that up convince me when I consider the Bible a work of fiction to begin with?


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Posted 2006-01-08, 10:56 PM in reply to JRwakebord's post starting "How would looking that up convince me..."
Mark was probably trippin on summa that ganja.
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Posted 2006-01-09, 07:36 AM in reply to JRwakebord's post starting "How would looking that up convince me..."
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How would looking that up convince me when I consider the Bible a work of fiction to begin with?
well i say that to somebody that believes in the catholic church. The rest of u have your own believes and i respect that, but if your semi religious, then u can check up on it for yourself
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