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Square is running out of ideas.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 02:42 AM
I love Squaresoft to death, but they're smothering their own creativity. How many Final Fantasy games have we seen released in the last two years alone? Two? Three? How many will it be when FF12 is released later this year, or later next year? How many Kingdom Hearts games are in the works? Two. One on Gameboy Advance and a sequel on PS2. The hell, Square? What is wrong with you?

Why haven't we seen another Chrono game? It's been what, three or four years since Chrono Cross came out, and we've seen not even so much as one single screenshot or video clip of the next game in the series, Chrono Break. Why? Because you guys are funneling all of your resources into more Kingdom Hearts and FF games?

What's with the story from FF12? Anyone that has played the Dreamcast/Gamecube RPG Skies of Arcadia can see the blantant and striking similarities between the stories of these two games. FF12's main character? Vaan. SOA's main character? Vyse. One of the kingdoms in FF12? Arcadia. The world in SOA? Arcadia. Lots of airships in both? Check. Lots of air-pirates in both? Check. The main characters in each game are trying to become the leader of a fierce crew of do-gooder air pirates in order to combat an evil empire? Check. As of right now, the story scraps we've been fed are pretty vague, but even with those vague descriptions of the plot, the similarities are too great to be mere coincedence. I'd be willing to bet money that the huge, armored dude with the two swords on FF12's logo is named something similar to "Galcian".

And what's this about a possible Devil May Cry/FF7 hybrid? Featuring Cloud as a Dante-like character performing all kinds of neato juggles and aerial assults? Wow, really creative there, Square. Let's take our most famous heroic character from the Final Fantasy games and just stick him into a DMC clone. That'll sell. It's just a rumor, but it's enough to get my blood boiling. Aren't you guys just simply satisfied with recycling Cloud and Sephiroth for Advent Children without having to resort to more resurrections of these old characters?

And what about the Enix side of Square-Enix? When are we going to see a new Dragon Warrior game? Or a new Actraiser? Or a new Illusion of Gaia/Soulblazer type-game? What about The 7th Saga? Since merging with Enix, what have you guys done to appease the Enix fans in the crowd? Have you done anything? Are you planning on doing anything?

Square is running out of ideas. They're rehashing FF7 and FF10, because those were their two greatest financial achievements in their entire history, and they're milking them for all they're worth. They're ripping off ideas from other games, most notably from Skies of Arcadia. They're ignoring their own franchises and the franchises of the Enix side of their company all so they can squeeze out as many new Final Fantasy games and Kingdom Hearts games as they possibly can in the shortest feasible amount of time. Squaresoft, you're disappointing me, and I hope to God that this trend ends soon.

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Posted 2004-03-02, 05:07 AM in reply to Raziel's post "Square is running out of ideas."
I don't know. Maybe they're just in a slump.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 06:04 AM in reply to Raziel's post "Square is running out of ideas."
I do agree that they're running out of ideas, but oddly, stuff like that sells.. remember Street Fighter 2, Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Street Fighter 2 Championship Edition, etc.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 07:09 AM in reply to BlueCube's post starting "I do agree that they're running out of..."
Yeah, but it sucks ass. Square needs to throw the longtime fans a few bones here. Do an update of Actraiser. Make another Mana game. FINISH CHRONO BREAK. Something. For the love of God, Square.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 09:57 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Yeah, but it sucks ass. Square needs..."
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Yeah, but it sucks ass.
Agreed.


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Square needs to throw the longtime fans a few bones here. Do an update of Actraiser. Make another Mana game. FINISH CHRONO BREAK. Something. For the love of God, Square.
Agreed again. The problem is, it's easier to rehash old ideas instead of coming up with new ones. Found an article that says it better than I can:

http://www.gamentropy.com/mockery-14.shtml

I'm secretly hoping that Chrono Break is being worked on in some top-secret underground laboratory or something, and that's the reason for no news about it. I doubt it though..
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Posted 2004-03-02, 10:55 AM in reply to BlueCube's post starting "Agreed. Agreed again. The..."
Heck, the problem isn't just with Square. When's the last time you saw a truly original game?

For me, I haven't seen one like that since Daggerfall in '96.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 11:31 AM in reply to Rurouni Storm's post starting "Heck, the problem isn't just with..."
Well, kingdom hearts was just gay anyway, and I agree about needing to show the enix side of square-enix, but I see no problem with continuing the final fantasy series. I could understand if they were continuing the same stories every single game, but they don't. It's always a new story, with the exception of FFX-2 so far, and there are always new battle features or something.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 11:35 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Well, kingdom hearts was just gay..."
The stories are getting to be a little predictable, though.

I want a FF game where you play an evil character from the get go. Instead of saving the world, you should conquer it.

Or how about a more personal game story? Where the hero isn't out to save the whole world, but maybe only his small country/hometown from a few other groups who wish to conquer it.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 11:48 AM in reply to Rurouni Storm's post starting "The stories are getting to be a little..."
I love the evil character idea.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 12:14 PM in reply to Raziel's post "Square is running out of ideas."
If it's a Chrono sequel that you want, say so.

There really can't be that much bashing the Final Fantasy games as none of them (almost) have anything in common. They're just milking the name actually. (That's exactly what the movie was.)

Also, the guy on the cover doesn't have a name. He's a generic one of many. I believe they're called judges or something similar to that.

Also, I would love to see a 7th Saga or Illusian of Gaia game coming out sometime soon.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 01:45 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "If it's a Chrono sequel that you want,..."
Yeah, that guys a Judge. They seem to be the villains in 12. FFXII happens in the world of Ivalice from the Tactics games. Judges are the rulers of the kingdom.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 02:04 PM in reply to Rurouni Storm's post starting "Yeah, that guys a Judge. They seem to..."
I would like to see a semi 3d game like secret of mana or evermore or illusions of gaia(interactive battling or whatever you want to call it) where you do more than just give commands in battle.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 05:12 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I would like to see a semi 3d game like..."
True, true. They could make some more enix games, but i never really played any of them.


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Posted 2004-03-02, 06:02 PM in reply to Tyrannicide's post starting "True, true. They could make some more..."
I bet if they do make a game where you are an evil character, he'll suck.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 06:17 PM in reply to Rurouni Storm's post starting "Heck, the problem isn't just with..."
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Heck, the problem isn't just with Square. When's the last time you saw a truly original game?

For me, I haven't seen one like that since Daggerfall in '96.
Daggerfall was the sequel to Arena. Daggerfall had the largest fucking game world ever. It took literally a week to move from one end to the other on foot. Morrowind was released recently in 2002 and is equally great with much graphical improvements. Square obviously doesn't like originality or they wouldn't be still making sequels to a game named "Final Fantasy". I don't care about the next FF game and I'm much more excited about Chrono Break but I'd gladly give that up for Fallout 3. Go to Hell, Interplay.

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Posted 2004-03-02, 07:33 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I would like to see a semi 3d game like..."
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I would like to see a semi 3d game like secret of mana or evermore or illusions of gaia(interactive battling or whatever you want to call it) where you do more than just give commands in battle.
You mean like in Crystal Chronicles? (SoM and SoE were much better examples of that playstyle, however.)
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Posted 2004-03-02, 07:43 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "You mean like in Crystal Chronicles? ..."
Don't know, haven't been bothered to download Crystal Chronicles yet.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 08:03 PM in reply to Kuja`s #1's post starting "I bet if they do make a game where you..."
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I bet if they do make a game where you are an evil character, he'll suck.
wat would b the point? ... if u r an evil char u should b all powerful and stomp ur oppenents to the ground!!!!
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Posted 2004-03-02, 10:36 PM in reply to Great-Thanatos's post starting "wat would b the point? ... if u r an..."
It could be that there are many evils and many good guys. All are strong, and your part in the game is to keep getting stronger and capturing more lands and killing more people. There could be special crystals and whatnot that power you up and stuff. The good guys and the bad guys are both trying to head you off.
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Posted 2004-03-02, 11:53 PM in reply to Kuja`s #1's post starting "It could be that there are many evils..."
My biggest complaint is that Square is ignoring their own franchises. It's been about four or five years since Chrono Cross, and we haven't seen a single screenshot of Chrono Break. Yet, we get a new FF update every single year. That's not necessary.

Plus, since merging with Enix, Square has done nothing to appease the Enix fans. You would imagine that they would at least do a Dragon Warrior update, but then again, I don't know anything about this Drakengard game, and that could very well be a DW game, for all I know.

My biggest complaint is that, instead of expanding their creative outlets into more of their avenues, Square is pigeon-holing themselves into making nothing but FF games and Kingdom Hearts games. That sucks ass, and it's genuinely disappointing to see them smother themselves like that.
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