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Posted 2008-02-21, 09:01 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "There's no real conflict (I assume you..."
mjordan2nd said:
There's no real conflict (I assume you meant conflict) unless you choose to take the Bible literally. Unfortunately, that's what so many do.
You assumed he was Christian. Even though it was highly likely, you still assumed.

Unless you had prior knowledge.

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And on the topic of the Christian God creating life on this planet, why can't it have instead started it off with an act akin to the big bang? It would be more reasonable to assume that the deity which made everything only performed an initial act, as everything henceforth is scientifically guided. Unless the deity guides science because and the deity is science.

God = Evolution :
Evolution = God : Reflexive property of Equality.

Supposing Christianity is 100% correct. (any error would lead to complete fallacy)

Oh God, what have I done?
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Posted 2008-02-21, 09:41 PM in reply to Atnas's post starting "You assumed he was Christian. Even..."
Or we can just say that god made evolution to make people more faithful and have more skeptics to be able to sort out the real believers with the fakes.

Or we could say that the sun is the god.

Or we could say that I'm a billionaire.

Or we could say bullshit to almost everything 'real' around us.
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Posted 2008-02-22, 08:35 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "There is no evidence to support the..."
Grаν¡tоnЅurgе said:
There is no evidence to support the existence of a god.

If something cannot be proven or disproven, it has no basis.


There is no evidence that our Universe was ever even created. We aren't that far advanced to where we can actually judge how our own exitence even works, let alone determining if God really does exist or not.

I do honestly believe that God does have to exist, because matter can't just come from nowhere. Think about it, Where did our universe come from? It didn't just appear, where did other possible parallel universe originate from? Who knows, we will never, probably ever know. We do know that the Big Bang theory caused the formation of the planets, but what was before that? We don't know, which is why I boil it down to on a scientific level that something outside of our control, out of our existance of time had to have done this.














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Posted 2008-02-22, 08:40 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "There is no evidence that our Universe..."
Everything could have always existed. It needs not be created. Think about that.
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Posted 2008-02-22, 08:48 AM in reply to Atnas's post starting "Everything could have always existed...."
That's another way to look at it, and that's what most people say about God. That's he's always existed, which would play into the argument that our lives are on a completely different timeline, actaully we do have a timeline and god as well as existence has always been around, but that's another thing.

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Posted 2008-02-22, 09:44 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "There is no evidence that our Universe..."
D3V said:
I do honestly believe that God does have to exist, because matter can't just come from nowhere.
Search quantum fluctuations. The quantity mass-energy can't come from nowhere, and it is very possible that the total mass-energy in the universe is 0 including the negative energies of things such as gravity.

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We do know that the Big Bang theory caused the formation of the planets, but what was before that?
Time is a property of our universe. It is nonsensical to speak of "before that."
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Posted 2008-02-22, 09:54 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Search quantum fluctuations. The..."
Ah, thanks for the lookup, i'm going to print out some notes and read them later on tonight.



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Time is a property of our universe. It is nonsensical to speak of "before that.
What about other Universes, possible parallel universes, what I'm saying is couldn't God still be there somewhere, just not in our timeframe that we operate in?














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Posted 2008-02-23, 01:23 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "There is no evidence that our Universe..."
D3V said:
I do honestly believe that God does have to exist, because matter can't just come from nowhere. Think about it, Where did our universe come from? It didn't just appear, where did other possible parallel universe originate from? Who knows, we will never, probably ever know. We do know that the Big Bang theory caused the formation of the planets, but what was before that? We don't know, which is why I boil it down to on a scientific level that something outside of our control, out of our existance of time had to have done this.
If you limit your thinking to the bias' that humans have created due to our own limited ability to perceive, then of course it will seem impossible.

1) Since you need to ask "what about before?", then I ask how did god come into existence to create the universe or whatever?

2) Big Bang theory is just that... a theory. We don't know it for sure.
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Posted 2008-02-23, 12:24 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "If you limit your thinking to the bias'..."
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2) Big Bang theory is just that... a theory. We don't know it for sure.
Oh. My. God. I did not just hear that from you of all people.

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Posted 2008-02-23, 01:55 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Oh. My. God. I did not just hear that..."
Huh? We don't know "for sure," do we? As far as I know it fits our current understanding, but I'm sure there are still great discoveries to be made in the field of Physics that would lead to an even better (or maybe completely different) model/theory.
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Posted 2008-02-23, 03:47 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "Huh? We don't know "for sure," do we?..."
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Huh? We don't know "for sure," do we? As far as I know it fits our current understanding, but I'm sure there are still great discoveries to be made in the field of Physics that would lead to an even better (or maybe completely different) model/theory.
We're sure enough about the big bang that whatever we find is far more likely to alter the details of the theory in some way rather than replacing it. It's like the theory of evolution. New fossils cause us to revise the details of the theory, but it's highly unlikely that anything we find is going to cause us to change the theory in its entirety. The Big Bang theory is supported by oodles of evidence, and has the overwhelming scientific consensus.
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Posted 2008-02-23, 04:04 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "We're sure enough about the big bang..."
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Posted 2008-02-23, 04:20 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z195/..."
nothing makes sense. no theroy does. some make MORE sense than others, but not one has all of the answers.
When my time comes, I want to be burried face down. That way, anyone that doesn't like me, can kiss my ass!
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