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Posted 2008-08-09, 09:49 PM in reply to hovind's post "Eviloution is fiction. God created us..."
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We did not come from monkeys. If we came from monkeys why is it that a monkey doesn't produce A human now? Obviously monkeys only make other monkeys. We couldn't have come from monkeys. How anyone can believe in the crap theory of evilution? Think for yourself people...dont just believe everything they tell u in school. Question everything.
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Posted 2008-08-09, 11:24 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Troll better. Seriously."
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Isn't that what the theory of evolution says? Doesn't it say that we were once mud, and then lightning struck the ground and we became these living cells and then the cells just decided to stop being cells and they became more complicated organisms and then they became human?
No! Plain and simple. Evolution does not "explain" that one being magically decided one day to perform a transformation act and become a fucking human.

By the "super-god-is-teh-1337" comment was that only religious idiots try to convince everyone else they are right! Want proof? How many dumb fucks do you see running through rural neighborhoods passing out flyers preaching about science? Thought so.

If the bible is so awesome and mighty, then why have 2 people who ADMIT to following it, turn their backs towards it? KagomJack has said he turned away from it for his reasons, and I have turned my back on it. I used to go to the damn sunday school and wednesday mass or whatever. And even at that young age, I saw that the bible was flawed. Shit didn't make sense to me, and for a kid to find that out, is pretty damn sad.

No one is trying to say you are less of a person for having a belief. You are less of a person because you choose to follow said belief blindly.

To show a stronger connection between primates and humans, watch the show Evolve. The first episode (or I think it was the first) was about eyes. The placement of our eyes is theorized to be the reason for our intelligence. First, let's start off with the eye itself. It allows us to see color and shade. That's it. The first creature to be pointed out as having the most basic eye, meaning an organ used to sense the world around it using light, was a small jellyfish type animal. It has (yes has, as in it is still around today) small spots around the base of its "body" that allows it sense the difference between light and dark. That organ is flat. Now, basic geometry comes into play. If said organ were concave, it would 'capture' light and allow the organ a chance to process the light. The first creatures to use a 'lens' were prehistoric fish that crawled along the sea floor (think Kabuto from Pokemon). It secreted a resin from it's body that acted as armor, but also covered its 'eye'. The lens allowed the light to be focused onto a single point, allowing for better peripheral vision. This is where it gets tricky, you ready for this? The eye went down 2 seperate paths! If god had designed everything, why not use the same blueprint? If you had to build 10 houses, would you re-draw blueprints everytime? Thought not. The 2 paths, more common at least, were the segmented, multi-lensed eyes of invertebrates, and the single-lensed, large organ that is used by vertebrates. Again, here comes god, reinventing the fucking wheel too many times to count. The common house fly has as few as 300 lenses per eye. That creates some pretty fuzzy images of the world, but it gives a good 360 degree view of its surroundings. But the dragon fly has as many as 29,000 lenses per eye, which allows for super high resolution vision. Why would god give 2 of his 'precious' creatures 2 different levels of vision? The single-lens eye, also is different between animals/human. In an animal such as the bald eagle, the cornea is raised farther from the iris which allows better focus at great distances. Why wouldn't god allow us to have that? Even after all the wars he has seen us in? Wouldn't you want to see your enemy from almost 2 miles away? I sure would. Onward though. The location of the eye is also different between even mammals. Some have eyes to the far sides of their skull, others, eyes are pointed straight out, such as in humans. Our eyes have a large degree of overlap, which allows us depth perception. In our closest relatives, primates, it aided them in jumping from tree to tree. Can you see how it would be beneficial? Imagine you go to jump to a tree, but you notice mid-air that it's too far away. Not only are you going to fall to the floor and break a limb, you will be easy food for a predator. Pay attention to this next part, as it blows the whole "god made us" thing to shit. Being as our eyes face forward, and we needed to watch all around us for predators, wouldn't it have been easier for god to "poof" eyes into the back of our head? Hell, then we would have perfect 360 degree depth perception. But instead, the primates formed clans. They learned to protect each other. They learned to pay attention to body language and facial gestures. They learned to communicate! All to protect themselves from predators. But god could have easily have intervened and given them body armor. Because he's magical and makes everything perfect, right?

Obviously, science realizes that a homo sapien wasn't just formed one day out of the blue from whatever other species. That is why there is an ongoing search for the "missing link".

I had a TON more to say, but I suffer from something I call 'Can't-Express-Thoughts' Syndrome. I always get what I want to say all planned out in my head, but when I go to put it to paper, or say it, or type it, it gets all jumbled up and I can't remember half of what I had planned...

As for my first post, it was supposed to be longer, but halfway through it, I decided I didn't want to get involved, but I guess it still posted some of it...
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Posted 2008-08-10, 12:54 AM in reply to Draco2003's post starting "No! Plain and simple. Evolution does..."
wow. this guy seems like a total douche. personally, i'm against most religions, if someone wants to believe in something that seems like complete bullshit only because it makes them happy, then why not. but if someone tries to preach their shit to me i will tell them to go shoot themself.




there is so much proof that "god" and pretty much everything in the bible is just one big fat story. whereon the other hand evolution has been proved and isnt just written about in some big book being slapped into peoples faces.
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Posted 2008-08-10, 10:05 AM in reply to Draco2003's post starting "No! Plain and simple. Evolution does..."
I don't think he's going to read that.
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Posted 2008-08-10, 10:13 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "I don't think he's going to read that."
I'm suprised I read it. I saw the pokemon refference while skimming and almost decided not to.
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Posted 2008-08-10, 10:25 AM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "I'm suprised I read it. I saw the..."
Oh you!
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Posted 2008-08-10, 10:33 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Oh you!"
What I find that is hilarious is that he just was like, "NO YER WRONG, isn't he breaking the rules or something?" about me. What a retard.
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Posted 2008-08-10, 10:40 AM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "What I find that is hilarious is that..."
I predict an answer to everything from him that will be along the lines of "It's that way because God made it that way and that's that."
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Posted 2008-09-06, 03:17 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Troll better. Seriously."
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Obviously you do not know the first thing about evolution.

Evolution does NOT teach that we came from monkeys, rather, that we changed and adapted in order to survive over the millenia. Survival of the fittest, etc. And evolution is seen around us all the time. Bacteria and viruses change and adapt to the antibiotics and antivirals we create every year so that a new one is needed to counteract the new strain.

I firmly believe in evolution and creation, so you know that I'm not some random atheist. But if anything, you need to pull your head out your ass and re-examine the theory of evolution, because you look uneducated and no one here will take you seriously. You are the one who needs to think for himself, seeing as how you do NOT understand a thing about evolution.

Also: "evilution?" What the hell, man? Seriously, did it take you all day to come up with that crap? A kindergartener is quicker than you on the draw. (Sorry to flame, but that was asking for it, seriously!)
.......If the "Evolution theory" never popped up then what would you think? If someone did not tell you what your stating in your post then how would you know if its true or not? What im trying to say is that if this "Theory" was never articulated then you wouldnt believe in it instead you would have believed in something else that somehow was proven to be true(But is really not true)long story short the earth used to be flat.....Be that explorer who says otherwise.
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Posted 2008-09-06, 03:30 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting ".......If the "Evolution theory" never..."
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Posted 2008-09-06, 09:00 PM in reply to jamer123's post starting "you tell em xSerenity Diedx"
Im still waiting for a response.
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Posted 2008-09-06, 10:12 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting "Im still waiting for a response."
The thread died about a month ago. Receive an answer, you shall not.
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Posted 2008-09-07, 02:39 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "The thread died about a month ago...."
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The thread died about a month ago. Receive an answer, you shall not.
Damn I was actually hoping for some meaningful convo.
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Posted 2008-09-07, 04:12 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting "Damn I was actually hoping for some..."
I'm game.
I could ask you the same question. What would you believe if God hadn't been theorized?

For the sake of discussion, I will explain this in the easiest terms to relate to. The theory of evolution isn't some idea that someone came out with one day. It is a theory, which as almost everyone learned in science class, a theory is a belief that is backed up with a large amount of supporting evidence. Evolution has tons of evidence buried in the earth. From micro-organisms to early humans, there is proof that there was shit here before us. We can use different methods to simulate the passage of time and how long it would take for something to become 'fossilized'.

God, on the other hand, is used to describe things people don't understand, just so they don't have to understand. Plus he is, I believe, the youngest religion that is viewed as an actual religion. Any time something happens that can't be easily explained with someone's low level of knowledge, they chalk it up to evidence that god exists. Such is the case of the past.

The one main difference between the theory of god and evolution, evolution was bound to come up, because humanity feels the need to understand its origins. God was just one way of telling how we were originated because we didn't have a better understanding of our Earth.
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