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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:00 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I agree with what you're saying MJ, but..."
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I agree with what you're saying MJ, but it's the truth. Even if the laws DIDN'T exist, the same effect would be shown.
That much is acceptable. That type of discrimination can only be fought by education. That takes time, and I understand that. The systematic discrimination pushed by those laws, however, is completely unacceptable and should be much easier to fight than social discrimination.
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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:06 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "That much is acceptable. That type of..."
Well, MJ, that would take all the fun out of it.














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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:08 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "That much is acceptable. That type of..."
I would argue that in this case, the discrimination cannot really be fought successfully.

See, most forms of discrimination can be fought through the help of "allies." The dominant group is going to hold power so long as the subordinate groups are fighting alone. For example, gay males are quite often allied with straight females, since women tend to simpathize with gay males, and they can use their "straightness" advantages to help aid the gay males in fighting the discrimination.

However, in the case of religion, the dominant group, the Christians, believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong. There are no Christians who are going to help atheists fight, and the atheists cannot fight alone due to the lack of power.

It all gets quite complicated and I think I'm having trouble explaining it accurately, but in this case it just doesn't look like there's much hope until Athiests become the majority rather than the minority.
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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:13 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I would argue that in this case, the..."
For the sake of Argument, I'm pretty sure you are assuming something before you generally know what the hell your talking about.

I'll take a direct quote from you, and emphasize it on this situation "Have you met all Christians? No, Didn't think so, and until you have just shut the hell up and quit assuming things until you have the whole story".














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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:17 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "For the sake of Argument, I'm pretty..."
Alright, I'll modify my claim. *There are not enough Christians who are going to help atheists fight*
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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:21 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Alright, I'll modify my claim. *There..."
I'll even attempt to clarify what exactly I'm saying.

If you are straight, that does not mean you are necessarily against gay people, it's just a choice you make, and you don't have to be against gay people to be straight.

If you are white, that does not necessarily mean you are against black people or indians or anything of the sort, and you don't have to be against them to be white.

As a Christian, Athiests are THE ENEMY. I won't say that NO Christians will aid Athiests, but for the most part, it's no different than aiding the enemy. Part of being Christian is thinking that Athiests are absolute evil, satan worshipers, etc.
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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:26 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I'll even attempt to clarify what..."
I'm Christian and I personally believe ANYBODY CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT. So I suppose I fall into that 2% of Christians that are willing to accept people for being different.

Personally helping the Enemy fight is just not common sense, you aren't going to do that. That philosophy will go for basically everything in this world, Governments, Football teams, Your buddy getting jumped and you help the kids jumping him, wtf-etc;














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Posted 2007-09-28, 12:40 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "I'm Christian and I personally believe..."
Right, and that's my point. A Christian is not going to help an Athiest, because Athiests are the enemy. If a Christian started fighting for Athiest's rights, I do believe the church would disown them.

However, a straight person can very well help a gay person, a white person can help a black person, etc, because they are not ENEMIES, they are just different.
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