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Posted 2007-03-10, 10:14 AM in reply to Draco's post starting "Let me put it to you this way.... when..."
Draco said:
Let me put it to you this way.... when single celled organisms divide they create exact copys... so one splits into two, two into four, so on and so fourth... their DNA tells them how to split and when to split.... there could not possibly be a genetic trait in the organism that would go outside of the information stored in the cell.... otherwise scientists that study the organisms would have seen at least some sort of change by now.... I know you going to say that it takes billions of years, but at the rate that cells divide small mutations in the DNA would have shown something....
What are you even talking about? Such changes have been clearly visible, even in our own lifetime. How do you think bacteria is becoming more resistant to antibiotics?

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Let me also ask you this... The body is made up of systems. Visual system, respiratory system, cardiac system and so forth. Can you explain or can anyone explain how any of these systems could have been created, in peicemeal fashion over time to become a functioning system that is dependent upon the other systems to have a living organism. After all if you remove any of the parts of a system the system fails and the organism fails as well.

But lets just look at the visual system for a moment. You have the structure of the eye, the surface, the vitrious fluid that is so pure it is the only place in the body that it is found. You have the lens and then you have the cones of the eye that receive photons and turn them into electrons. You have the retina which recieves these electrons and then sends it along the nerve pathways to the cells of the brian that interprets these electrons into visual images that we see. Yet evolutionists would expect us to believe that the visual system was peiced together purely by accident over many many years through genetic "defects" that became beneficial. If you had 98% of the visual system put together the organism still can not see. It has to be 100% complete. So during all of this time while we were waiting for nature to accidently make the last peice of the puzzle we were running around blind for millenia.
Jeez, so many people are in denial. It's no coincidence that the overwhelming majority of those people are too religious to pull their head out of their bibles. The first paragraph is not even making a point. Systems? Lets move beyond high school biology class buddy. Bats are blind. Why are they alive without a 'visual system?'

The second paragraph is worse. If you are TOO CLOSE-MINDED to accept the possibility of genetic change over time (which is obvious in every form of life today), then you need to increase your gray matter and try again. We might even see something interesting in the next century. Many mentally "off" children are being born with significant abilities, most of which are termed autistic. However, these skills are usually overshadowed by their inability to meld with society. There might be an incident where normally functioning humans are born with some of the cognitive advantages of autism. This could lead to a new 'race' of humans. You might think thats impossible, but it's far more probable then something intangible and ambiguous like "god." Something of which there is NO proof at all, much like you claim evolution to have. (Although it obviously DOES). Even if there was only one piece of proof that evolution is fact, it is still more than NO EVIDENCE. Your beliefs are based on... well... nothing. How can you be comfortable with that? Because you choose to be ignorant. Don't get mad when those who choose to believe evidence make you look stupid.

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Posted 2007-03-10, 06:53 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "What are you even talking about? Such..."
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There might be an incident where normally functioning humans are born with some of the cognitive advantages of autism.
Strangely enough this has already happened. There is a guy that I saw on a discovery show about autistic people I think, he's autistic but he's fully functional in society. He looks, talks, acts, exactly like normal human beings. But he's a natural genius. That's about all the info I have on that though, as I don't remember where he lives or what his name is.
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Posted 2007-03-10, 11:50 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Strangely enough this has already..."
Autism and Asperger's is going to be the next ADD.
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Posted 2007-03-12, 07:42 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "What are you even talking about? Such..."
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What are you even talking about? Such changes have been clearly visible, even in our own lifetime. How do you think bacteria is becoming more resistant to antibiotics?
You evidently don't understand the difference between adaptation and evolution, that small changes in a cell wall can help a cell to survive like if it has minimal exposure to a drug it could develop a resistance much like when people take medicine for a while their body will eventually require more of it to feel the effects...

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Jeez, so many people are in denial. It's no coincidence that the overwhelming majority of those people are too religious to pull their head out of their bibles. The first paragraph is not even making a point. Systems? Lets move beyond high school biology class buddy. Bats are blind. Why are they alive without a 'visual system?'
You need to go back to high school biology, bats dont require a visual system because they use echo location to "see", something we don't have....


And for those of you that think Autism is a benefit, people with defect cannot survive on their own, think of them like an infant in a grown up body... they require 'parental' watch.....

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Posted 2007-03-12, 09:29 PM in reply to Draco's post starting "You evidently don't understand the..."
1. If you understand the concept of adaptation, then you understand evolution. Evolution is adaptation on a larger scale. Basically you just debunked your own arguement. How do you think those bacteria adapt? God gives them +1 to membrane armor?

2. Obviously bats utilize sound. Are you that stupid? I was pointing out that your arguement doesn't make sense.

3. Nobody here thinks being autistic is a benefit. That's not even what we were talking about. Try to READ your opponents points first.

4. You're asking for a fossil? Look it up yourself. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of fossils that have been discovered. You can't just plug your ears and go NYAH-NYAH-NYAH CAN'T HEAR YOU! Although that's exactly what you're doing...
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Posted 2007-03-13, 08:04 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "1. If you understand the concept of..."
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1. If you understand the concept of adaptation, then you understand evolution. Evolution is adaptation on a larger scale. Basically you just debunked your own arguement. How do you think those bacteria adapt? God gives them +1 to membrane armor?
No, I said that slight changes in the cell itself can cause it to survive longer than the others... (my example was a cell with a thicker wall)...

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2. Obviously bats utilize sound. Are you that stupid? I was pointing out that your arguement doesn't make sense.
Really? I thought your comparison between humans (whom need eyes to survive on their own) and bats (who dont need eyes to survive) made perfect sence....


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4. You're asking for a fossil? Look it up yourself. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of fossils that have been discovered. You can't just plug your ears and go NYAH-NYAH-NYAH CAN'T HEAR YOU! Although that's exactly what you're doing...
I asked for an evolutionary fossil, not just any fossil.... and I have looked, so far all possible fossils have turned out to be fakes....

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3. Nobody here thinks being autistic is a benefit. That's not even what we were talking about. Try to READ your opponents points first.
Did you not say this yourself?
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Many mentally "off" children are being born with significant abilities, most of which are termed autistic. However, these skills are usually overshadowed by their inability to meld with society.
I think you should pay more attention to your own replys....

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Posted 2007-03-13, 08:15 AM in reply to Draco's post starting "No, I said that slight changes in the..."
My conclusion is Draco has got to be one of those 12 year old brainwashed robokids. If you don't want to believe something that's fine by me, but at least be informed about what you are talking about. There's a difference in choosing not to believe something and telling everyone else that they are wrong, especially when science is more on our side than yours. Even more when you're spouting nonsense.

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Posted 2007-03-13, 08:24 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "My conclusion is Draco has got to be..."
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My conclusion is Draco has got to be one of those 12 year old brainwashed robokids. If you don't want to believe something that's fine by me, but at least be informed about what you are talking about. There's a difference in choosing not to believe something and telling everyone else that they are wrong, especially when science is more on our side than yours. Even more when you're spouting nonsense.
If you diddent notice by now... you and every one else seems to dodge my question... where is the scientific proof of evolution... you dont see transitional animals walking around, and you dont see any evidence in the fossil record.... so where is it??? How can science be on your side if it dosent even hold its own theroy up?
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Posted 2007-03-13, 09:59 AM in reply to Draco's post starting "If you diddent notice by now... you and..."
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If you diddent notice by now... you and every one else seems to dodge my question... where is the scientific proof of evolution... you dont see transitional animals walking around, and you dont see any evidence in the fossil record.... so where is it??? How can science be on your side if it dosent even hold its own theroy up?
There is no scientific PROOF. That's the fucking point you fucktard. It's a THEORY with LOTS OF EVIDENCE BACKING IT UP. Not a LAW with PROOF.

Regardless, it's got way more fucking evidence supporting it than your God Almighty. In the world I live in there is no fucking God. Now get the fuck out of here and shut the fuck up.
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Posted 2007-03-13, 09:10 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "My conclusion is Draco has got to be..."
Kinda reminds me of that religious clothhead we had a few months ago that I argued with.

Ah, fun times.
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