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Posted 2006-06-14, 11:52 PM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "Thats easy when THE CHOICES COME FROM..."
The Earth has been around for a very long time. 4.5-5 billion years. In that time, the very solar system itself has rotated around the galactic center many times. There are so many cosmic events that could have happened that may have caused the creation of Polonium. Maybe there was a MASSIVE solar flare in the early days of earth that caused all this, or maybe we were too close when a supernova went off and we got shot in the face with a galactic shotgun of high energy particles. Who knows?

Just because science has yet to or can't explain why those halo's are there, doesn't mean that God created everything in an instant. Humans still insisted that the Earth was FLAT until some schmuck had to take a boat and sail across the ocean to show us otherwise.

I don't think I have any right to claim to know how the universe was created, how life came around, or what happens when we die. I don't think anyone does. What we all have are our very own personal theories on everything that should be kept to ourselves until the human society as a whole has evolved enough to stop trying to shove THEIR opinions down others throats.

We're probably all wrong anyway.

Btw, moved to Opinion and Debate.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:08 AM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "The Earth has been around for a very..."
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Just because science has yet to or can't explain why those halo's are there, doesn't mean that God created everything in an instant. Humans still insisted that the Earth was FLAT until some schmuck had to take a boat and sail across the ocean to show us otherwise.
God didn't do it in an instant, he took 6 days and did it.what is funny is that the BIBLE says the earth was round and it was written years before columbus ever whent.
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I don't think I have any right to claim to know how the universe was created, how life came around, or what happens when we die. I don't think anyone does. What we all have are our very own personal theories on everything that should be kept to ourselves until the human society as a whole has evolved enough to stop trying to shove THEIR opinions down others throats.
What we are trying to say is that Evolution should not be put into text books unless creation is.This way we all get a fair chance to have our beleifs noted.Sure, if they whant to have evolution in their text books,fine,but why not something that was proven even moreso then evolution.It isn't fair that we had to sit through school and listen to the teachers bash our beleifs, call us a supreme monkey, then tell us we came from a goop that was created by some weird rain that hit a certain rock(Evolution), ect. while we sit there and keep our cool.What even worse is that whenever we say something about it, we get brought to court and sued for some wacked out can't spread BIBLICAL truth law.I say if they can have a Non-Proven Theory in textbooks, then they can have a PROVEN source (Creation) in textbooks as well.And I state again, THE BIBLE HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN WRONG.It is 100% accurate in all scientific studies.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:16 AM in reply to frosted_snow's post starting "God didn't do it in an instant, he took..."
~Jesus~ said:
The Earth, granite and Polonium were created by God together in an instant.
Frosted_Snow said:
God didn't do it in an instant, he took 6 days and did it.
Make up your mind.

Frosted_snow said:
what is funny is that the BIBLE says the earth was round and it was written years before columbus ever whent.
And I have a high school textbook that states the universe is shaped like a sphere that is expanding at a idenical speed in all directions. If future science prooves that true will my text book be the spawn of a new religion? Not really trying to poke fun but that's the only comparison I could think of at this hour. It's interesting that it was stated, yes, but I think it was by mere luck more then anything.

EDIT: And I'm off to bed. Happy debating!

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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:26 AM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "Make up your mind. And I have a..."
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~Jesus~ said:
The Earth, granite and Polonium were created by God together in an instant.



Frosted_Snow said:
God didn't do it in an instant, he took 6 days and did it.


Make up your mind.
However, if granite and Polonium are part of the earth, it is very possible He
(God)Made the outer layer(crust,rock,gasses)at the same time,I dunno,what I do know is that it took HIM 6 days to make it ALL(Earth water rock animals mammals humans ect.)WOW I am really tired, i can tell in my typing.My mind isn't strait right now so I will check this post later and see if I am accurate.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:32 AM in reply to frosted_snow's post starting "However, if granite and Polonium are..."
the earth, granite and polonium are all one. Granite is the earths crust.

The rest of creation (the contents there of) took 6 days total.

Read the bible and you will see.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:34 AM in reply to frosted_snow's post starting "However, if granite and Polonium are..."
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However, if granite and Polonium are part of the earth, it is very possible He
(God)Made the outer layer(crust,rock,gasses)at the same time,I dunno,
nope..you know!

yes thats what the bible says...and science..

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but what I do know is that it took HIM 6 days to make it ALL(Earth water rock animals mammals humans ect.)
Are you sure its 2 different people? amazing, must be luck!
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:44 AM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "nope..you know! yes thats what the..."
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Are you sure its 2 different people? amazing, must be luck!
LOL, funny ~Jesus~.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 08:07 AM in reply to frosted_snow's post starting "LOL, funny ~Jesus~."
In the end what it comes down to for myself an many others is seeing proof. "Seeing is believing", eh? I have yet to see any solid proof. All of your C&P nonsense? Just not proof enough, imho. For me...though I do believe in a higher being, and I'm open to all religions, I find it impossible to put all of my faith into a book that was written by man, and not God himself. Men err, and it's my belief is that the Bible has contradictions.

Erring comes naturally to humans. We learn from mistakes, and forever seek the truth to everything around us. Some people find their truth sooner than others, and some never find it at all.

And for those who do find their truth? They're usually pigheaded, close-minded and refuse to believe anything other than what they believe in. It's pointless to argue really, no one ever shifts from what they believe, and that's usually the reason I never debate about religion to begin with.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 07:40 AM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "nope..you know! yes thats what the..."
You still haven't answered my question.

So instead, 2 more questions. Answer them and you will find out why they are relevant.

1. How old do YOU think the Earth and the Universe are. No posting from Websites for this, it's PERSONAL opinion. Use your Bible if you really must.

My answer is 13.5 billion years for the universer, 4.5 billion years for Earth.

2. Do you believe in the Pentecost (apostles started speaking in tongues, flames above their heads)? If so, is that a good indication of their holiness?

If you really want me answer, then I'd say it was another metaphorical story to prove 'Gods Power' to believers.
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Posted 2006-06-15, 08:18 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "You still haven't answered my question...."
Lenny said:
You still haven't answered my question.

So instead, 2 more questions. Answer them and you will find out why they are relevant.

1. How old do YOU think the Earth and the Universe are.
I believe based on the word of god and science, that the earth is 6,000 to 10,000 years old.

Lenny said:
2. Do you believe in the Pentecost (apostles started speaking in tongues, flames above their heads)? If so, is that a good indication of their holiness?
Acts 2:1~4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Penticost was a feast where jews from every nation heard the gospel of Jesus and the holy spirit filled them all, and they understood each other and what Peter preached by the power of the Holy spirit filling them all, even though Peter spoke in one language. As a result 3,000 jews were converted and believed on the name of Jesus.

"Tongues" are languages... anything else is lack of understanding the bible.

"Speaking in tongues" in the bible means languages. NOT the language of angels or god! Just different languages. Angels through the bible spoke the same language man does. Anybody who claimes they can "speak in tounges" doesnt understand the bible and further, have a bit of dillusion going on.

On the day of pentecost God provided two symbols of the spirits presence: thw WIND, which was assosiated to the Jews as spirit, and the FIERY TONGUES: which contrary to what some ignorant uninformed present day churches think, is actually understanding through the spirit coming upon them.

Communication can be amazing with the true power of the spirit! Communication and understanding on deeper levels by the power of there belief and conversion. Spiritual levels.

I have seen people who cant speak english yet hear a preacher preach the gospel in english and understand on a different level..a spiriual level that has no boundries. That is the lake of fire that comes upon the very soul from the holy spirit!

Simple if you understand the bible and really want to know the truth!
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:29 AM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "Make up your mind. And I have a..."
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Make up your mind.
In the beginning he made the heavens and the earth. The days were not yet, time was not yet...then he made the first day by making the sun and moon for that very purpose, amongst other things..)

Sovereign said:
It's interesting that it was stated, yes, but I think it was by mere luck more then anything.
I dont believe in luck or coincidence or chance.

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EDIT: And I'm off to bed. Happy debating!
good night!
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:23 AM in reply to frosted_snow's post starting "God didn't do it in an instant, he took..."
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God didn't do it in an instant, he took 6 days and did it.what is funny is that the BIBLE says the earth was round and it was written years before columbus ever went.
Thats right! amongst other things..check out JOB!

frosted_snow said:
What we are trying to say is that Evolution should not be put into text books unless creation is.This way we all get a fair chance to have our beleifs noted.
Exactly!

If you are gonna teach biology, teach biology, you can without going into orgins. if you are gonna teach theories of orgins, call them what they are, not factual science..it confuses people for the worse! give them the truth!!!..let them take it from there as God intended.

when a group controls all the information sources and further, LIEs about that information, well that means that there is a motive. ...and believe me, your BEST interest is not it!

Recent studies show that over have of the people today still beklieve and support creation by God!
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Posted 2006-06-15, 12:14 AM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "The Earth has been around for a very..."
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Who knows?
god knows.

..and you can too..if you really want to!

read these pages...
http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...lSciences.html

Sovereign said:
Just because science has yet to or can't explain why those halo's are there, doesn't mean that God created everything in an instant. Humans still insisted that the Earth was FLAT until some schmuck had to take a boat and sail across the ocean to show us otherwise.
no actualy ,the bible says its round..you just have to know where to look!

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I don't think I have any right to claim to know how the universe was created, how life came around, or what happens when we die. I don't think anyone does.
sure you do, you are special man. feerfully and wonderfully made! thats why you were made, and have the ability to choose. ...and to observe and ponder and give praise to the creator!!! nothing else can, the world and stars and heavens were created just for you!!!!
God gave you the answers man cannot explain! What a gift!

Sovereign said:
What we all have are our very own personal theories on everything that should be kept to ourselves until the human society as a whole has evolved enough to stop trying to shove THEIR opinions down others throats.
Its easier for some more than others. Facts are facts and opinions and lies are another...

the truth IS obviously out there...and it will make you free! imagine...

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