Pulling out of Iraq

Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor? Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?

1. The president is to old to fight in the war, I believe the cut off age is 35.
2. They don't send the poor, you sign up to go over and fight. They only send you if you wish to be sent. And anyway, might as well make a use for them if they arn't going to work hard, or go to school.


And yes I know it's from a song.

There is never a cut off age for being sent to war, my dad's HS friend got sent off, he's 41.

They recruit in urban schools around the nation, that's sending the poor.

Definitions of recruit on the Web:

* enroll: register formally as a participant or member; "The party recruited many new members"
* a recently enlisted soldier
* seek to employ; "The lab director recruited an able crew of assistants"
* any new member or supporter (as in the armed forces)
* cause to assemble or enlist in the military; "raise an army"; "recruit new soldiers"


They go to lots of schools. I go to a rich school and they came. And like above, in this post, and in my other post, you must SIGN UP, you're making it sound like they're only recruiting the poor.

Most of our Royal Family has been, or is in the Armed Forces. Yet you don't see Prince William or Prince Harry in Iraq giving the Insurgents the old one two now do you?

And you wouldn't want your Presidents fighting your wars. You'd be absolutely stuffed! It doesn't matter how strong your Army is, with Bush leading it into battle...well, speaks for itself really dunnit?

I'm pretty sure thats why we have generals.... to lead them into battle.

Generals dont lead anyone into battle, its the Captains and Lt. Col.'s that do. Generals just stay back in the safety of the base and plan stuff all day.

edit and by the way my Captain is only 28. And our Lt Col is I think 40 - 45ish

Yeah generals are not what they used to be and besides I for once agree with the Brit on this. I mean fuck I'm the dumbest piece of shit to walk this earth in 5000 years but god damn I think i just might be smarter than Bush and the only thing I'm good at is fighting hence I'm in the army

BTW next time you see someone signing up to join tell them not to cause I hate these new recruits they are dumbasses one guy took his fucking helmet off and started watching a kid play with it and guess what? HIS FUCKING BRAINS GOT BLOWN OUT.

And I vote no because I like fighting.

I think that was on Starship Troopers

No he was from Tangent, Oregon and he took his helmet off and put it on a kid then got shot in the head... a sad case yes? This is why I think we should only let certain people in. Because half of these kids think it's all glory then when they get out here they all hesitate and die.

BTW yes i think there was a part where a guy took off his helmet in the middle of a combat exercise and got killed.

For better or worse our version of "democracy" is as easy to catch as the common cold. This situation would be "better" I believe, that is if there are enough qualified people to hold together a stable government.

Options "Not quite yet" and "get out of there asap" are pretty much the same thing. It's not an option to leave before the job's done or that will decline our status with other nations even more (yes, that is possible.) It's already a terrorist factory ...why not let an extremist organization take hold and exterminate the level-headed individuals that are left, right? Wrong.

If we are successful this will get democracy right next door to those people that are still in dictatorships or monarchies. That'll really be making those rich oil sheiks sweat . How're they going to secretly fund terrorist groups to kill innocent arabic people at mosques?

Think of it ...get the idea of democracy into these people and as passionate as some of them are (i.e., extremists :P) they'll be "liberating" other nations around them in no time .

We've seen what happens when politicians run wars. World War 2. What would happen if the generals had gotten to do everything they wanted? Well, I for one hope my ancestors would have bought VW stock if that would have happened .

WWII is a bad example.

Hitler was doing pretty well for himself (and managed to get the army doing amazing things) until people began intervening. France just laid down for them, as did Poland, and Austria, and Czech Republic...but then again, much of that was due to the Blitzkrieg tactics.

Russia managed to beat the Germans with their weather. And all the Allies brought an end to the Tyrany.

Most of the war was fought by politicians doing things, and it all turned out right in the end.

I'd say a good example would be the Vietnam war, with Nixon (was it?). But then again I'm no great for American history.

WWII is a bad example. Hitler was doing pretty well for himself (and managed to get the army doing amazing things) until people began intervening. France just laid down for them, as did Poland, and Austria, and Czech Republic...but then again, much of that was due to the Blitzkrieg tactics. Russia managed to beat the Germans with their weather. And all the Allies brought an end to the Tyrany. Most of the war was fought by politicians doing things, and it all turned out right in the end. I'd say a good example would be the Vietnam war, with Nixon (was it?). But then again I'm no great for American history.

Too late for me to confirm this but I believe Hitler did a good job at rearming Germany/rallying his people ...but Rommel and others were the real reason behind some of the better military victories. I know Hitler fought in WW1 but I don't think he achieved any great rank and got any valuable experience? Not sure.

In WWI he was just a footsoldier. Used to run about the trenches giving out messages.

When WWII came round he wanted more trenches because he loved it! And he did an amazing job at re-arming Germany, but he did have help. I don't know if you've heard of a German company called Krupp Works, but they supplied Hitler with all his weapons from the 1930s until the end of the war.

Krupp Works, and Faber were two of the biggest businesses in Germany, and they poured millions of Marks into the Nazi party. As did other companies. Henry Ford did too!

But, yeah, Hitler headed the whole thing. He did have his people doing all the dirty work, but he headed the whole 'operation' - he told everyone what to do, and the people below him interpretted the orders and carried them out in their own ways.

The nazi party was built ford tough.

Anyone who thinks that his generals agreed with him is such a fool actually many of his SS and close friends tried to get him killed because his tactics sucked and his generals thought having those millions of jews around might actually help the war effort either as businessmen or even more soldiers. As a leader of economy Hitler was great but when it came to war he sucked goat nuts and you would never believe what nation put a protection program on him either, because they knew he was making mistakes.

but when it came to war he sucked goat nuts

Ha! Though I hate Hitler, and would spit on his rotted bones if I could, I must disagree with you there. He was infact seen by many as a genius at war. Though he was a crazy raving lunatic, that might be what helped him, because he was so aggressive. They say his downfall was that he might have had Parkinson's Disease. But, back on topic of this thread, I heard we might start bringing people home in '06.

Well, my information sources must be flawed then because I had seen him as a burden to the german war machine opening up TWO war fronts against major powers and other things that were generally a BAD idea. Also involving U.S. in the conflict (even though that was Japan) was a bad move ...I'm sure they could have told Japan to hold off :P.

That wouldn't have got them anywhere. The Japs would have gone for you guys whatever, they hated you!

Two war fronts was a bad idea, especially in Winter in Russia.

Then again during WWI they fought on two war fronts, once again against the Allies and the Ruskies, and they absolutely pasted the Ruskies before turning back to the Stalemate.

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It'd be really nice to think that they're bringing the troops home in '06...but how many times have our Governments said they'd be bringing out the troops? How long have they been in now? 2, 3 years?

They got slaughtered during the Winter in Russia. They wearn't used to the harsh, cold conditions, and they wearn't properly equipped.