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It's a shame that you have such a low opinion of the smokers, I have a High/higher IQ and I smoke very often...

Just in case you didn't notice.. it's not just the blue collar workforce that indulges... It's everyone.

I think we smoke because of the work, not work because of the smoke...

Anyway, there's no reason to be so negative, otherwise keep that shit to yourself man...

It's a shame that you have such a low opinion of the smokers, I have a High/higher IQ and I smoke very often...

Typical, very typical.

People who can limit themselves, sure. I've known people who are very intelligent and smoke weed, occasionally. Most people can't limit themselves, though, and spend a lot of time and money and treat it as a hobby. I haven't known many people like that with high IQs. Besides, I'm waiting for Sum Yung Guy's reply anyway.

Oh yea, and the "Einstein Moments," those times that you have a feeling of elevated intelligence when using a mind altering drug, that doesn't account for a high IQ.

Well, I don't think everyone of us smokes 10 bowls a day everyday 365 days out of the year....

Well, I don't think everyone of us smokes 10 bowls a day everyday 365 days out of the year....

I would say if you smoke weed more than 3 times a week you have a very real problem. If you smoke weed every weekend, you're addicted, but you're not letting it affect your job perhaps, and that's good. If you smoke weed maybe once or twice a month with friends(not in your room by yourself) then I don't really have a problem with you, just keep it to yourself, and don't come to me trying to explain your philosophy of how the raisins in Raisin Bran cereal are the key to life.

Most of you probably don't realize it because you probably don't smoke weed alone, but if you've ever been around someone who is high when you are not, it's very similar to being around someone who is drunk when you are not. Thay think they've come to realize everything about life in the last hour they have been high.

Right, what a misconception. I haven't been smoking since July Fourth, most of my friends smoke and I've never noticed this similarity to drunks.

You've fallen head over heels for anti marijuana propaganda, and it shows. But nevermind that, what are you trying to prove? that you're an asshole? Do you have an ego to fill? Untill now you've had some pretty entertaining and informative posts, this thread puts you kinda .. "out there" bro.

I don't even want to get on the addiction comment, it's been shown many times over that there is no addiction issues with marijuana.
Still, nevermind that your heading back to the Halo2 forum and cessation of fight starting would be apreciated.

You've never been around someone else who is high(while you are not) and been extremely annoyed?

I've fallen head over heels for anti marijuana propaganda? That's funny, I really haven't seen much of that in my life. Most people, like those who post in this forum, smoke marijuana, so "joining the crowd" as you would say of anti-marijuana people wouldn't be falling head over heels, and it wouldn't be falling to peer pressure. Unlike you, I am less affected by peer pressure.

I also noticed your amateur attempt at psychology,

Untill now you've had some pretty entertaining and informative posts, this thread puts you kinda .. "out there" bro.

didn't appreciate it much.

Just to comment, I don't think it's addicting myself, at least not as nicotine or alcohol is, but the high you get is possibly addicting, especially to those who haven't anything better to do with their time.

On a less malicious note, what part of Virginia are you from?

Virginia Beach. Right up the street from Oceana. Well all over Chesapeake, Norfolk, and Va Beach.

Nah, people smokin doesn't ever seem to annoy me, maybe it's because they are 'seasoned smokers'? Dunno..

By the way, what makes me seem like I'm any more affected by peer pressure than you or anyone else?

Alright, bucko, listen up. 100% stoner here and not ashamed one damn bit. I graduated highschool 25th in my class out of 300. I smoked weed almost every day my senior year and I managed to keep my grades up. I also have a job and I work very hard and often to keep the moolah flowing. I have shit in my life prioritized.

Most of you probably don't realize it because you probably don't smoke weed alone, but if you've ever been around someone who is high when you are not, it's very similar to being around someone who is drunk when you are not. Thay think they've come to realize everything about life in the last hour they have been high.

No, this is not true. Drunk people and high/stoned people do not act the same. A drunk person cannot make out who is who, cannot keep his/her own balance, has a very difficult time speaking (loud, slurred words), CANNOT DRIVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES and is more then likely going to throw up. A stoned person will sit on a couch and laugh at the drunk people. You need to stop generalizing people who smoke. A stoned person can drive, although I'll admit we tend to go slower. Weed and alcohol are two very different substances and really should not be compared.

You've obviously been hanging out with some new smokers or people that smoke in moderation. People that have been smoking for years (aka stoners) are very laid-back and do not "think we've realized everything when high." I was like the way you're describing when I was a new smoker and I got blitzed every time I took a hit; it's much different now.

What else you gonna dish out?

You've obviously been hanging out with some new smokers or people that smoke in moderation. People that have been smoking for years (aka stoners) are very laid-back and do not "think we've realized everything when high." I was like the way you're describing when I was a new smoker and I got blitzed every time I took a hit; it's much different now. What else you gonna dish out?

He is in the army, he doesnt hang out with any pot heads, just drunks, and I dont think hes ever hung out with marijuana users in his life, just maybe seen some at his high school when he went.

Basically Smith you need to do a more in depth study, before debating... this is kinda lika a ps3 vs xbox 360 thread where I pmed you and said, "I hate debating with people who wont open their eyes"... now its your turn to open your eyes.

So he's PFC Smith:

Favorite Phrase:
Shut the fuck up with that bullshiiiit! Usually as a reply to PFC Smith...

What does PFC mean? I read Catch-22 again a week ago, and I was trying to work out what PFC meant then. If you haven't read it there's a character called ex-PFC Wintergreen who seems to run everyhting behind the scenes.

As for the PS3 v Xbxo 360 threads (they've both turned into them), you should've just said that, we'd've shut up quicker if you had.

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Pr0xy:

The thing that gets you stoned is the THC, the Crystals that the female produces on the Buds when it flowers, to pick up the male pollen and as the male has no crystals it's not worth the cough.

I also managed to stumble across some kind of pot forum that said if you put the crystals on top of the weed when smoking it, it will heighten the experience. Means absolutely nothing to me, thoug hit probably does to you?

Probably doesn't answer your question, but, nnh, bit of info about the for you if you didn't already know.

Sum Yung Guy, you seem to think just because I never smoke marijuana that I was never around people that did. I've been around people in the ARMY that were high, and seasoned smokers, by the way. I lived in the boonies as a child, so I guess I don't have to explain to you that half of my family smokes marijuana. When I moved to the city, I was around my sister and all her friends. On top of that I lived in an apartment complex where practially ever poor person in the city lived. I saw enough of how potheads lived and saw enough people high during my life, to know I didn't want to smoke marijuana.

Just because you haven't shot yourself in the face with a shotgun doesn't mean you can't argue your friend away from the barrel as he's trying to commit suicide.

Just to comment on Thanatos here. You graduated 25/300, huh? I actually attended a much smaller school before I moved to the cities. Seeing as I went to five different schools throughout my life, I think I can safely say that I found smaller schools to usually have a much easier curriculum(usually less funding) with much less people competing for that valedictorian.

Oh ya, and alcohol is a major depressent, on the other hand marijuana is a both a light depressant and a psychoactive hallucinogen. I never said they were exactly the same thing, and that one would incur the same results from both of them. What I did say is that people who do either/or are annoying to be around when you are completely sober. That's from my experience.

Lol pr0xy, and oh ya and it's SPC now, thank you.

Typical, very typical. People who can limit themselves, sure. I've known people who are very intelligent and smoke weed, occasionally. Most people can't limit themselves, though, and spend a lot of time and money and treat it as a hobby. I haven't known many people like that with high IQs. Besides, I'm waiting for Sum Yung Guy's reply anyway. Oh yea, and the "Einstein Moments," those times that you have a feeling of elevated intelligence when using a mind altering drug, that doesn't account for a high IQ.

Dude, seriously, I'm personally against smoking for myself, but smoking marijuana does not make you stupid in any way any more than alcohol does. Some of the smartest people I know actually do smoke quite a bit -- staright A students -- and not just straight A because they work hard, these kids are actually fucking geniuses. There's plenty of decent kids that smoke quite a bit if you'll just open your eyes.

It's obviously not controlled tightly for a reason? True. Controlling it tighter would require a lot of resources and manpower. The fact that if you're caught with pot you go to jail is pretty fucking tight in my opinion.

S2 AM, you're generally a pretty smart guy. I don't know why you would make such an asinine insinuation that people who smoke pot are automatically going to have blue collar jobs, or that they are in some way inferior to those who do not smoke pot.

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http://cannabis.hivemind.net/rtcl-iht-faq.htm#

If you're interested in learning the facts I would suggest reading that. There's a bibliography and everything. It's fact.

You are right, in younger people it does have negative effects on the brain. In adults, it does not.

Mjordan, my favorite person with which to debate things . Very punctual as usual. I don't remember any of the stoners with whom I went to school ever achieving a 4.0 GPA. If they are geniuses, then I believe they would just be throwing thatI went to a large school, so maybe there was someone I didn't know. I'm glad to see you aren't an advocate yourself, that's promising and also a relief.

I realize the punishment for being caught is stiff, but I think you only go to jail if you are caught with a certain amount, which is considered to be dealing. No doubt one of these stoners will correct me with that amount to the ounce. I also realize that controlling it would cause too much a strain on the government, which is already hurting. I've actually seen a special on TV that said people were allowed by the government to smuggle mairjuana over the border from Mexico. Who knows if that's true, it falls right in there with the government dealing with aliens to control the minds of people, or what have you.

Anyhow, I took the liberty of finding this online. For those of you who believe that marijuana is not a Neurotoxin, read on. You may be correct, but I think you would actually be happier with the hypothesis that it's a Neurotoxin.

There is evidence that individuals who start to smoke marijuana at an early age—while the brain is still developing—show deficits in cognition which are not seen in individuals who begin use of the drug when they are older. The reasons for this difference are unclear. Scientists from the Harvard Medical School and from the intramural research program of the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found lasting cognitive deficits in those who started to smoke marijuana before age 17. The researchers analyzed neuropsychological test results from 122 long-term heavy users of marijuana and 87 subjects who had used marijuana only a few times (control subjects). Sixty-nine of the 122 users started using marijuana at age 17 or before. The subjects were between the ages of 30 and 55 at the time of the study, and all had refrained from any drug use 28 days prior to testing. Individuals who started using marijuana at age 17 or younger performed significantly worse on the tests assessing verbal functions such as verbal IQ and memory of word lists than did those who started using marijuana later in life or who had used the drug sparingly. There were virtually no differences in test results among the individuals who started marijuana use after age 17 and the control subjects. The investigators suggest three possible hypotheses that might explain these differences. One possibility is that early-onset smokers had lower innate cognitive skills before they ever started smoking marijuana. A second possibility is poor learning of certain cognitive skills by young users of marijuana who neglect school and academic pursuits. The third and most ominous possibility is that marijuana itself has a neurotoxic effect on the developing brain. According to the authors, further research will be required to determine the relative contributions of these three factors.

That's just fine, I agree with that study. Doesn't prove that smokers are idiots however.

Furthermore I'll step up and be the 'stoner' that clears up the charges thing for you.

It varies by state, those that have decriminalized marijuana for medicinal uses have also a higher ammount to warrant jail time, for example North Carolina is 42.5 grams (ounce and a half) to warrant jail time, but the local governments can be much lower, like just a few grams.

Virginia (my commonwealth) has a pretty low tolerance, any ammount can put you in jail.

It's a shame that you have such a low opinion of the smokers, I have a High/higher IQ and I smoke very often... Just in case you didn't notice.. it's not just the blue collar workforce that indulges... It's everyone. I think we smoke because of the work, not work because of the smoke... Anyway, there's no reason to be so negative, otherwise keep that shit to yourself man...

People ussually get in2 smoking because of either drinking or stress.. it lowers blood pressure. i dont give a fuck if people smoke.. they do what they wanna do.