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Posted 2005-02-09, 10:56 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "Okay... 1) Black Mage as the Devil..."
1) That one's pretty damned easy, Bob. All she'd have to do is stall. Black Mage would be ousted from power within a few minutes, and all he'd have left to throw at her would be Hadoken, which her backup shields could fix instantly.

I have no idea how to combat the other two, however. I've never read any of the Dragonlance books, so you're gonna have to give me something to work with.

If either of those characters is invincible or immortal, I already banned them from this battle. They have to have some form of weakness, and it can't be a Superman's "Kryptonite," Deus Ex Machina thing either.
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Posted 2005-02-09, 11:19 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "1) That one's pretty damned easy, Bob. ..."
... I know when the battle is done. Very well, then. Kain has fallen. How in the hell is it any fun in the game when you're character is armed with every kind of weapon and defense? Her enemies must fall before her by the dozen.

Maybe someone should summon Samus to kill the Elder God.

I shall attempt to think of another character, but I doubt I can come up with any good ones. This round is yours, Samus.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 09:18 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "1) That one's pretty damned easy, Bob. ..."
Here's one of my favorite exchanges from all of the books.

Just to note, Kitiara is Raistlin's sister.

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"I should kill you!" Kitiara repeated, and, before she was quite aware of what she did, she cast a glance at the death knight, who seemed to form out of the darkness of the grove. It was a glance, not of command, but of invitation--an unspoken challenge. Raistlin smiled, the rare smile that few ever saw. It was, however, lost in the shadows of his hood.

"Lord Soth," he said, turning to greet the death knight. Kitiara bit her lip as Raistlin's hourglass eyes studied the undead knight's armor. Here were still the graven symbols of a Knight of Solamnia--the Rose and the Kingfisher and the Sword--but all were blackened as if the armor burned in fire. "Knight of the Black Rose," continued Raistlin, "who died in flames in the Cataclysm before the curse of the elfmaid you wronged dragged you back to bitter life."

"Such is my tale," the death knight said without moving. "And you are Raistlin, master of past and present, the one foretold." The two stood, staring at each other, both forgetting Kitiara, who--feeling the silent, deadly contest being waged between the two--forgot her own anger, holding her breath to witness the outcome. "Your magic is strong," Raistlin commented. A soft wind stirred the branches of the oak trees, caressed the black folds of the mage's robes.

"Yes," said Lord Soth quietly. "I can kill with a single word. I can hurl a ball of fire into the midst of my enemies. I rule a squadron of skeletal warriors, who can destroy by touch alone. I can raise a wall of ice to protect those I serve. The invisible is descernible to my eyes. Ordinary magic spells crumble in my presence." Raistlin nodded, the folds of his hood moving gently. Lord Soth stared at the mage without speaking. Walking close to Raistlin, he stopped only inches from the mage's frail body. Kitiara's breath came fast. Then, with a courtly gesture, the cursed Knight of Solamnia placed his hand over that portion of his anatomy that had once contained his heart. "But I bow in the presence of a master," Lord Soth said.
That's a decent summary of Soth.

Raistlin made huge sacrifices to further his power in magic. He is, literally speaking, both of the most powerful mages of all time (in the Dragonlance saga). I don't want to give away too much in hopes that you will read some of this series. Raistlin, as far as I can describe, is the epitome of the badass. If sincere need arises, I'll give some specific examples, but, without context, they won't seem very fair. It'll just seem like he's a "god-character."
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Posted 2005-02-12, 11:50 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "Here's one of my favorite exchanges..."
Well, these are D&D books, correct? These two are sorcerers, then, I am to assume.

Considering that they're both obviously high-level characters, I'll assume that they probably don't even need to bother with somatic or material components. Soth revealed, at the very least, that spoken components are needed by him to cast. I can't say the same for Rasitlin, but it doesn't really matter.

Magic, in D&D, at the very least takes time and concentration to use. If Soth still needs to use spoken components, he's already looking at a serious disadvantage because that's a tell-tale. Samus will see it coming a mile away.

Either way, you're looking at spell-casters going up against a highly armored bounty hunter who needs no preparation time for her attacks. The only thing Samus needs time for is scanning her opponent, which only takes a few seconds and completely reveals the capabilities and weaknesses of the scanned opponent. Samus is simply too versatile to be taken out by a mage.
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Posted 2005-02-13, 12:08 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Well, these are D&D books, correct? ..."
Okay. I'll give it another shot.

Sephiroth.

He is alot like Kain, when it comes to fighting. He is powerful in close-range combat with the Massamune and at a distance, with magic attacks like Shadow Flare. Then, there is the business of which form he takes on. In human form, he has greater mobility, being able to teleport and fly. In Bizzarro Sephiroth form, he has the ability to revive parts of himself after they are damaged and cannot be used any more. Safer Sephiroth is the most powerful of them all, and since Seph can take on all the magics used in his other forms, Safer Sephiroth's magic power plus the addition of his other magics, makes him quite formiddable.

Plus, he has no weaknesses. (Besides his storyline)

Go ahead. Destroy him.
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Posted 2005-02-13, 12:09 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Well, these are D&D books, correct? ..."
Well upon consideration, Soth probably wouldn't be allowed in the fight against Samus at all... Since he's undead, I don't think she has anything that can kill him, and thus, he's effectively immortal.

Raistlin, on the other hand, is mortal. He neither needs spell components or words to cast spells. He... damnit, Raziel. Read the Dragonlance Legends series (Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, and Test of the Twins). Here, it's $15 for the whole set of em. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/off...?condition=all

Everybody get into these books so I can read them again and have someone to talk to about them.

And on that note, you should get the Chronicles trilogy as well. ($6 here - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...527688964&rd=1) Legends is better though.
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Posted 2005-02-13, 12:34 AM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "Well upon consideration, Soth probably..."
Well, that wasn't much of a counter-argument, Bob!

My friend Gary has been trying to get me to read those books for years. I'll probably end up doing it at some point. I'm always a bit hesitant about reading D&D or Star Wars books. For some reason, it always feels too damned nerdy to me. I'll put some consideration into reading them, though.

Nik, I'll take Sephiroth apart in a few hours.
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Posted 2005-02-13, 01:02 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Well, that wasn't much of a..."
Well, I don't know what to post because what you used against Kain concerned vampiric weaknesses. Sephiroth has no extraordinary weaknesses like water or fire. I'll just wait here. I'll counter, if possible.
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