Zelaron needs changes

It's not like Zelaron makes any money for Chruser either though. You gotta think about that.

That's besides the point. By putting up a forum publically on the internet, the webmaster should have an unofficail obligation to kep the members happy. And Chruser has upheld that for most of the time, it's just that it's hard to see this forum slip from greatness after so long. Like I said above, money's not a problem. If that's why Chruser can't advertise, then I'm sure there are more than enough members willing to cover that cost.

Can we get a list of all the members willing to cover the cost please? I've got to see this. If none of us will even donate a dollar to K_A for a video card, I doubt anyone would be willing to help out for advertising.
I don't think he does have any sort of obligation to us, if you don't like the way its going, join a different forum.

Can we get a list of all the members willing to cover the cost please? I've got to see this. If none of us will even donate a dollar to K_A for a video card, I doubt anyone would be willing to help out for advertising.

Of course I can't say for sure, but if Chruser were to ask for money, I'm sure that people would be willing go give some, and in fact, I believe it has happend before. The difference between KA's video card and Zelaron's best intrest is that we really don't care about what video card KA has. I would hope that we care about Zelaron's well-being.

I don't think he does have any sort of obligation to us,

Again, my bad. Bad choice of words. I should've said he has an obligation to keep the forum running without bumps, which I quite honestly believe he does, being the founder and leader of this forum. I mean, if not, at least be straight up with the members and let them know that he has no intention of keeping the forum running smoothly. But I don't think that's the case. In every thread, he says he still cares about Zelaron, so we know that he does care about Zelaron. If he wasn't willing to even keep the forum running smoothly, why would he even be paying for Zelaron?

if you don't like the way its going, join a different forum.

Of course not. That's a punk move. You don't just give up on something becasuse you don't like the direction it's taking, especially after being so dedicated to it for such a long time. It's like saying, "Oh, you don't like American politics? Go join a different country." It just doesn't work like that. You do everything in your power to make American politics better, if you really care; you don't just walk out on your country. Similarly, I have no intentions of walking out on this forum.

1. You can't change America in the least. It's run by big brother now and forever. The most you can do is get around the restrictions for yourself. Bad example but I know where your coming from.
2. He wouldn't be paying for zelaron, but he would be paying for the advertising, or someone would. Unless we had a situation where we know people who know people who would let us put of free advertising.
3. I'm sure most of us do care about the well being of zelaron, but not to the extent that we could be willing to dish out money, atleast for me its that way. This whole thread, just like the previous, "improve zelaron" threads are mostly just talk, I know you don't feel this way mj obviously, but thats the sad fact of the matter.

1. You can't change America in the least. It's run by big brother now and forever. The most you can do is get around the restrictions for yourself. Bad example but I know where your coming from.

Well, I guess this is a bit off the subjest, but I refuse to believe that. Everyone that I have ever read about in my American History textbook has refused to believe that. In fact, if 9/11 taught us anything, it's that America is just as susceptible as the rest of the world to changing when it feels threatend. Osame Bin Laden single-handedly changed many things about America. That's sad, but it is true. But there are hundreds of people every day making differences in America, whether it be on a major political level, or just a city cop doing his job. I would like to believe that the individual does matter -- that the individual can make a difference if he's willing to spend the time. The day I give up on that belief is the day I give up America, because in my eyes, that idea is the very basis of what America is formed upon.

2. He wouldn't be paying for zelaron, but he would be paying for the advertising, or someone would. Unless we had a situation where we know people who know people who would let us put of free advertising.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this. Would you mind clearing it up a bit?

3. I'm sure most of us do care about the well being of zelaron, but not to the extent that we could be willing to dish out money, atleast for me its that way. This whole thread, just like the previous, "improve zelaron" threads are mostly just talk, I know you don't feel this way mj obviously, but thats the sad fact of the matter.

No, unfortunately, I realize that this is the truth. Still, I cling to the childish hope that when Chruser reads this, that perhaps maybe one of these threads will make a difference. I'm going to spring one of these up every once in a while when I feel that it is needed. I know others have been in the past willing to donate money, and if it came to it, I'd be willing to right now. Like I said before, though, I doubt it's a financial problem.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this. Would you mind clearing it up a bit?

Sorry I misread what you said at a point. I was refering to this statement.

If he wasn't willing to even keep the forum running smoothly, why would he even be paying for Zelaron?

Previous post aside. Your right.
I never said anything about paying for Zelaron, I was merely talking about advertising if there were to be more besides the Somethingawful.

First of all, slaynishs comment about this making chruser lots of money? Well he does not know anything. Problem with this forum? Simple, not enough active members. The biggest reason? D2 is dying. We have not been able to pull the crowds of any of the other major games and we have tried. This is not really a problem with the staff, ww could install a billion hacks and change the rules but that will not bring active members.

How many of you can honestly say you are Less busy in life today then you were when zelaron was really popular? I would bet most of us are older, and we all have more responsibilitys and prioritys and Zelaron is not as big as it used to be. Zelaron is starting to feel more and more like that old friend you grew up with that you dont really hang out with anymore because you have new friends (prioritys now), you would still help them if they need you or lend them money if you could but you just dont hang out a lot anymore. Or even, how many of you can even say you spend more time playing games now then you did when zelaron was popular? Slaynish dosent count because hes always for some reason been 12 years old (I dont know how that is possible).

I dont want to go into too much detail but I am pretty confident that I know why this forum is how it is now and it makes sense to me. Another prediction here that fits me but I bet the people that are becoming less active here are becoming less active in forums and online communitys in general, not just zelaron. If I feel like i want to post something on a forum, I always think of zelaron first but I just dont feel like it as much. Also, I dont goof around as much / am more serious and since 80% of the posts here revolve around that factor, its harder to post, but thats not much of an excuse for me because just look at WW, he has an... ok activity level.

<edit: added> And to touch on the admin thing. The reason why I think I am still admin, is because I can be trusted, I can help if I am Needed (That probably has not happend in a year, I even offered to help pay, but money is Not an issue here), and because I sorta have a background here. If Chruser wants to deadmin me, then he will, but I dont think he expects much out of me with zelaron at its current state? Also, I know we have heard people say how they will make zelaron better then ever if they are admined, and we know enough that its just hot air. You cannot cause tons of active members to join if we make you admin, you can get active members to join just as well as a member as you can as an admin and if you dont feel like doing it unless you are admin, then you obviously dont care about zelaron as a community anyway. rant rant rant rant rant.

Agreed.


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