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Posted 2004-12-12, 09:47 AM in reply to GEEkZ's post starting "Damn... Phoenix and fortitude are gonna..."
GEEkZ said:
Damn... Phoenix and fortitude are gonna wreck melee just like levi and EDC did...


Good for me i just quit melee
Wreck melee? I assume you mean make it closer to being 1-2 hit kills (like hammer or charge). If I misunderstand and you mean wreck as in making them not viable I disagree looking at all the different runewords for weapons.

(Personally I sill want to know what Oblivion does....thats such a cool name for a weapon or armor)
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Posted 2004-12-12, 09:59 AM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Wreck melee? I assume you mean make it..."
If i was a blizz developer, i'd create a candy cane weapon that has stats like a mix of BotD and Azurewrath... just for fun... well, someone please take shots of the new RW's and post em !!
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Posted 2004-12-12, 11:00 AM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Wreck melee? I assume you mean make it..."
Is Oblivion even a runeword? I personally wanna see what Pride does...
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Posted 2004-12-12, 11:26 AM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "Is Oblivion even a runeword? I..."
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Is Oblivion even a runeword? I personally wanna see what Pride does...

Its not a released runeword. A long time ago back in .07 I think it was (correct me if I'm wrong on the history) when the runeword combos and potential names were still available to the "hackers" (Im not a hacker I dont understand any of this really) I think someone cracked the game and found the list of words (you can find the list on Diabloii.net I think among other places). Since then the combos have been changed of many of the released runewords when they were finally activated but the actual names have remained the same. Theres a long long list of them...Oblivion was merely one of the still non-activated words.
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Posted 2004-12-12, 01:47 PM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Its not a released runeword. A long..."
sounds pretty interesting
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Posted 2004-12-12, 02:02 PM in reply to Dr. Geekstar's post starting "sounds pretty interesting"
Not to go back and beat a dead horse but one thing I did notice on Spirit....

It needs a 4os shield and the only ones that exist are the Monarch and the Ward....

The monarch (the lighter shield) still has a level req of 54 and an str req of a whopping 156. So I suppose it depends on how much vitality you want to sacrifice and how it can affect you choose items that give you the str needed to equip this thing for what might not be a substantial improvement over what you use now....

Even using an Enigma your str will only be increased by about 63 or so give or take depending on level. If you combine this with an anni charm to give you say an additional 18 or so if you have a decent statted one....you're still going to need to sink about 59-60 (varies depending on actual stats of gear) points into Str or use charms that take up space to equip the darn thing (which would reduce vitality or resists or skills anyway).

Considering this is supposedly a caster shield......is it worth it? I don't know.
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Posted 2004-12-12, 06:51 PM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Not to go back and beat a dead horse..."
Worth it for, 4 socket swords.
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Posted 2004-12-12, 07:17 PM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Wreck melee? I assume you mean make it..."
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Wreck melee? I assume you mean make it closer to being 1-2 hit kills (like hammer or charge). If I misunderstand and you mean wreck as in making them not viable I disagree looking at all the different runewords for weapons.

(Personally I sill want to know what Oblivion does....thats such a cool name for a weapon or armor)

I meant, levi and EDC "wrecked" melee by making 98% of all melee's cookie cutters. What i meant to say was fortitude/phoenix is the new CC IMO.
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Posted 2004-12-12, 09:39 PM in reply to GEEkZ's post starting "I meant, levi and EDC "wrecked" melee..."
Phoenix does look interesting. Is Fortitude better than having DR? I don't know I suppose it depends on how much damage you do without the +300%. Remember you can socket a Levi still. You cant do that with a Fortitude.


Pekson remember if you're a caster there are far better caster weapons than a Spirit. (also you dont get the resists when in a weapon...the stats are different). Essentially its like a Silence but you trade resists for FHR and FCR. As a caster though I'd still be sticking with a HOTO probably or if I'm a necro, a white wand (dol io isnt that expensive) with good mods possibly and a sorc has other, better orbs to choose from than a Spirit.

Again low levels and budget its decent for a caster paladin, trapper, druid probably as a weapon. If you can find a way to make the str req work (ie: you like to use a SS on the switch anyways or something) then it could be a potential shield option.

Preference I suppose and again don't get me wrong I do find use in a lot of these new and nifty runewords including Spirit (this was just an example). I just think a counter arguement should be prevalent though among all this rage over new stuff. I suppose "Last Wish" which I find kind of neat especially for pvm could also be a good example of a really nice runeword (though very expensive) but hampered by a weakness in that it has no IAS which thus limits your other gear/builds that can really use it and what you can really socket it into (probably have to be a phase blade and you'll need probably either IAS armor or a fanaticism aura even if you're a speedy zealot).
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Posted 2004-12-13, 12:39 AM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Phoenix does look interesting. Is..."
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Phoenix does look interesting. Is Fortitude better than having DR? I don't know I suppose it depends on how much damage you do without the +300%. Remember you can socket a Levi still. You cant do that with a Fortitude.
It's the defence thats going to make the difference. For reference, the fomer #1 ww barb uses Duress. The guy that beat him uses Eth Duress. Dr isnt maditory.
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Posted 2004-12-13, 07:24 AM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "It's the defence thats going to make..."
not only that, but all zeal duels will now ALL be one hit k.o... phoenix+fortitude=12k+zeal with ebotdz....

Again, dr isnt mandatory if you're both killing in one hit, now is it?
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Posted 2004-12-13, 07:39 AM in reply to GEEkZ's post starting "not only that, but all zeal duels will..."
i wanna switch to ladder now but i dont wanna start all over again -_-
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Posted 2004-12-13, 12:17 PM in reply to i_screwed_ur_ma's post starting "i wanna switch to ladder now but i dont..."
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i wanna switch to ladder now but i dont wanna start all over again -_-
ditto.....lol
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Posted 2004-12-13, 12:10 PM in reply to GEEkZ's post starting "not only that, but all zeal duels will..."
Jarrens zealot does 9k atm and doesn't one hit ko my barb. Of course he has ~6k hp ~_~. But yeah It would be 2 hit ko probably.
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Posted 2004-12-13, 12:16 PM in reply to GEEkZ's post starting "not only that, but all zeal duels will..."
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not only that, but all zeal duels will now ALL be one hit k.o... phoenix+fortitude=12k+zeal with ebotdz....

Again, dr isnt mandatory if you're both killing in one hit, now is it?
Hell , this is gonna be fucked up jOO...
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Posted 2004-12-13, 01:17 PM in reply to GEEkZ's post starting "not only that, but all zeal duels will..."
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not only that, but all zeal duels will now ALL be one hit k.o... phoenix+fortitude=12k+zeal with ebotdz....

Again, dr isnt mandatory if you're both killing in one hit, now is it?
Very true....I suppose this is blizz's answer to the hammerdin cheese...have every class be able to do one hit KOs and demolish all the fun in pvp. I suppose the only thing left would be necro vs necro as neither can stack an absorb for bone and they could just tele around all day spamming spells at each other or trying to use summons.

Ok slight exaggeration but...
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Posted 2004-12-13, 01:37 PM in reply to DamonGalos's post starting "Very true....I suppose this is blizz's..."
Well, with an infinity merc, i suppose it's almost impossible to sorb a sorc anymore, without severely gimping your char that is.

With faith, zons might make a comeback...
Maybe blizz is trying to bring back .09 !

All this to say, when ladder rolls over, dueling is gonna be weird as hell...
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