Question: How did the universe begin?

I honestly have no idea, I'm not knowledgeable enough in the area to make any comment without it being pulled straight from my ass.

I'd have to go on a religious note. Put it this way. God has always existed, nobody created him/her. But it's always been there. Now God has the power to create, and give. God's powers must have created the universe. Not too sure how it works.

This could just be a Matrix type thing, we're just one big ass test tube, and somebody is having us for their science project.

This could just be a Matrix type thing, we're just one big ass test tube, and somebody is having us for their science project.

I've thought about that. We'll never really know. I believe in God. He's always been there. Nothings going to change my mind about that. All the stories about him have been proved in a way. Through the bible, and there was older history that the same exact events that were in the bible, were recorded in a journal/book. I believe in God 110%. Whenever I pray, it always comes true.


ALWAYS.

Bottom line is:















GOD IS REAL, EVEN IF U CANT SEE HIM

God is the Alpha and Omega; beginning and end. He has always been there. Created the world in 6 24 hour days, and rested on the 7th day. He saw that everything was good. The world has only been around for roughly 8,000 to 10,000 years. Just look at the world around you. How could a spontaneous combustion from a tiny dot form all of this coincidentally like it is? God made the world beautiful. The world used to be one continent, but then God wiped out everyone on the earth with the flood except for Noah and his family on his ark. This happening, the lands were split apart and formed as they are. Yay God!

Yeah, don't tell me this is random bullshit, because it isn't. Don't insult me, I will return the favor.

Dude, it's not bullshit one bit. I like your words.

Wow, I always thought that everybody here was either atheist or christians who dont really believe in god completely. Hand of heaven and tokill.ace and d3v, I have just created a newfound respect toward you. I too believe that god exists and always has, I would be lying if I never was sceptical, but I think that there's no way we'll ever prove how it all started, so all I have is to believe.

I like all of your responses so far. I just have one request. Perhaps expanding on why you believe as you do, if at all possible.

God is the Alpha and Omega; beginning and end. He has always been there. Created the world in 6 24 hour days

"Days" in the Biblical sense, weren't 24 hours.

The world has only been around for roughly 8,000 to 10,000 years.

OH MY FUCKING GOD, ARE YOU JOKING?

it is a sad day for you, miss.

HAHAHA hand of heaven, there has been tons of evidence of stuff more than 10,000 years old. The world is about 2.3478456 million years old(just an estimate).

If it was that old, it would turn moldy.

HAHAHA hand of heaven, there has been tons of evidence of stuff more than 10,000 years old. The world is about 2.3478456 million years old(just an estimate).

Actually, it's closer to 6 billion years old.

I've thought about that. We'll never really know. I believe in God. He's always been there. Nothings going to change my mind about that. All the stories about him have been proved in a way. Through the bible, and there was older history that the same exact events that were in the bible, were recorded in a journal/book. I believe in God 110%. Whenever I pray, it always comes true. ALWAYS. Bottom line is: GOD IS REAL, EVEN IF U CANT SEE HIM

Your final statement is an opinion. How do you know that there aren't 256 Gods?

Your final statement is an opinion. How do you know that there aren't 256 Gods?

Don't lie. There is only one for each of the Primary Colors. The Seconday Colors are their half-human offspring, and as such, mere Demi-Gods, since they're all female Goddesses.

Like the Fanta girls.

That commercial would be so much better without the horrid background music.

But I digress. Back to the topic at hand.

all things left to themselves unless acted on by an outside force will tend towards chaos.
our universe is orderly, there was a chaos theory but it has basically been disproven. even evolution proves this. for those who dont know, following through with evolution all the way, Darwin concluded the latter part of his life a Christian, sighting the eyeball as an example that with all that is necessary and orderly to have evolution allow this eye to work, to believe there is no God is 'obsurd to the highest degree'

the universe, being orderly, must be acted on by an outside force to maintain this characteristic.
so now you have the equation with our universe and it requires the presence of something outside out universe acting on it.
in the most basic definition, we call this God.
God must have a will, because without logic, order is an impossibility.

the universe, encompassing time must have a beginning to exist. time as a concept exists within our universe, however beyond that, time, coming existing within, does not apply.
this is why God's existance need not have a begginning.

human beings, being within this universe and always having been subject to time are unable to fathom something existing without a beginning, to us (because we are temporal beings) a beginning is a must, a staple of existance, and a truth.

despite being unable to fathome such a concept as existing without a beginning, the fact that if something exists outside the universe and hence not subject to the constraints of time is not only possible, but given that something DOES exist outside the universe, it is also true.

there is no reason why people presenting the question of the universe's beginning must seperate science and religion. the two go hand in hand really. everything science proves supports the religious belief in God. what doesnt support it if you are really seeking the real truth, you will find are half way facts.
these are hypothese, equations, and theorums that are people only take as far as to prove information they have already decided on and need proof of rather than taking it all the way to see what it is telling them, usually a sign of arrogance or fear. people get wrapped up in trying to tell rather than listen.
so anyway, this is what ive found so far.
i dont like opinions much that's why i didnt involve my personal religion, just the facts backing up that there is one. i have my beliefs, you have yours. but ultimately it surprises me very much that there are any atheists left. especially in the scientific community, actually every years there is a drop in atheists, the more we learn about physics and such but there are still some.
im not putting them down, im just wondering why now that we have come far enough that science is working hand in hand more and more with faith, how anyone, provided they are seeking scientific truth, cant see that there is something outside the universe, something powerful enough to create it! and that, existing outside of time, is eternal, the alpha and omega, encompassing both beginning and end, as this Being is master of both, being independant of both, and subject to neither.

all things left to themselves unless acted on by an outside force will tend towards chaos. our universe is orderly, there was a chaos theory but it has basically been disproven. even evolution proves this. for those who dont know, following through with evolution all the way, Darwin concluded the latter part of his life a Christian, sighting the eyeball as an example that with all that is necessary and orderly to have evolution allow this eye to work, to believe there is no God is 'obsurd to the highest degree' the universe, being orderly, must be acted on by an outside force to maintain this characteristic. so now you have the equation with our universe and it requires the presence of something outside out universe acting on it. in the most basic definition, we call this God. God must have a will, because without logic, order is an impossibility. the universe, encompassing time must have a beginning to exist. time as a concept exists within our universe, however beyond that, time, coming existing within, does not apply. this is why God's existance need not have a begginning. human beings, being within this universe and always having been subject to time are unable to fathom something existing without a beginning, to us (because we are temporal beings) a beginning is a must, a staple of existance, and a truth. despite being unable to fathome such a concept as existing without a beginning, the fact that if something exists outside the universe and hence not subject to the constraints of time is not only possible, but given that something DOES exist outside the universe, it is also true. there is no reason why people presenting the question of the universe's beginning must seperate science and religion. the two go hand in hand really. everything science proves supports the religious belief in God. what doesnt support it if you are really seeking the real truth, you will find are half way facts. these are hypothese, equations, and theorums that are people only take as far as to prove information they have already decided on and need proof of rather than taking it all the way to see what it is telling them, usually a sign of arrogance or fear. people get wrapped up in trying to tell rather than listen. so anyway, this is what ive found so far. i dont like opinions much that's why i didnt involve my personal religion, just the facts backing up that there is one. i have my beliefs, you have yours. but ultimately it surprises me very much that there are any atheists left. especially in the scientific community, actually every years there is a drop in atheists, the more we learn about physics and such but there are still some. im not putting them down, im just wondering why now that we have come far enough that science is working hand in hand more and more with faith, how anyone, provided they are seeking scientific truth, cant see that there is something outside the universe, something powerful enough to create it! and that, existing outside of time, is eternal, the alpha and omega, encompassing both beginning and end, as this Being is master of both, being independant of both, and subject to neither.

Wow. Very well written. Being an atheist myself, I'll respond to you more thoroughly tomorrow (friday!!) since I will have more time, but that was a great post. I disagree with you on some aspects, but thanks for providing me that insight into what you believe, and why you believe it.

We have somehow gained the world and lost our soul, yet once we see over the yonder of ourselves, peace of mind will be waiting. Love in this world has gone so cold. How are we going to glimpse the truth if it's far too late? With so much space between us all, we will truly never know the meaning of within. Do we all have an importance in this world? I believe we do, but we need some sort of ambition first. However, if the meaning of within is being, then isn't it true that we have to make this decision? We could be perfect, supplementary to the fact that most of us feel we are only human. The Bible states we keep holy the Sabbath Day. How do we know this doesn't mean live? It doesn't really matter if you're wrong; you're right.

Let me ask you. Have you seen beyond yourself? Have you found out who you are?

but ultimately it surprises me very much that there are any atheists left. especially in the scientific community, actually every years there is a drop in atheists, the more we learn about physics and such but there are still some. im not putting them down, im just wondering why now that we have come far enough that science is working hand in hand more and more with faith, how anyone, provided they are seeking scientific truth, cant see that there is something outside the universe, something powerful enough to create it! and that, existing outside of time, is eternal, the alpha and omega, encompassing both beginning and end, as this Being is master of both, being independant of both, and subject to neither.

My ideals tend to be Atheist BECAUSE I went to a Catholic school. The majority of the devout self proclaimed religious people I have met in my life were also among the most hypocritical. You are correct in that the nature of existence cannot be explained. I however, disagree with your logic to simply classify the way the building blocks fell on a higher being.

I'd have to go on a religious note. Put it this way. God has always existed, nobody created him/her. But it's always been there. Now God has the power to create, and give. God's powers must have created the universe. Not too sure how it works. This could just be a Matrix type thing, we're just one big ass test tube, and somebody is having us for their science project.

This is the first of a series of posts by me that will make all of you think about what you have said.

D3v... who's to say that the universe has always existed? If God has always existed, why couldn't the universe always exist. How can you even prove existence outside of your own thoughts? You can't. Sure, you think therefor you are... but maybe that existence is only based in one area... your own "head"... so to speak. But who created you?... God? What created God? If god always existed couldnt the universe have done the same? And thus, an eternal cycle... infinity...

And the "Giant" test tube could be comparitavely small to everything else... maybe we are in a test tube in side of a test tube inside of a test tube... and so on and so forth.