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Posted 2004-08-10, 08:18 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post "Mj's NBA Power Rankings"
Grant Hill used to be a great player, but I don't think he will ever have a full season, and when he is playing, I highly doubt he'll be as effective as he should and could be. Too bad really..

Also, Jordan didn't want to take all the shots when he was playing with Stackhouse. He already proved himself as an individual player, so he wanted others to shine, in this case Stack. He is by no means a replacement for Nash, but he won;t hurt the team either. His backcourt pressure is solid, and when he is on, he's dominant. The only problem is, he has to be on..

The Celtics pick up of Payton is stupid. That man is all washed up, and if you couldn't tell that after last season debacle with the Lakers...
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Posted 2004-08-10, 10:03 AM in reply to Titusfied's post starting "Grant Hill used to be a great player,..."
Payton is not washed up. He's used having control of the offense, and with the Laker's offense he was almost excluded. Just a bad fit, man. Payton easily has the potential to bring my hometeam an 18 pt, 6 assist, 2 steal season a game season.

Anyways, you're rankings are pretty accurate in my opinion. Nice job, but theirs one huge problem I have.

Putting the Phoenix Suns that low is insane. Have you looked at their team lately? Quentin Richardson, Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, and Shawn Marion? That's pretty fucking outstanding.
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Posted 2004-08-10, 10:24 AM in reply to uncapped's post starting "Payton is not washed up. He's used..."
i hope the l.a lakers die kobe is a fag
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Posted 2004-08-10, 10:38 AM in reply to uncapped's post starting "Payton is not washed up. He's used..."
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Payton is not washed up. He's used having control of the offense, and with the Laker's offense he was almost excluded. Just a bad fit, man. Payton easily has the potential to bring my hometeam an 18 pt, 6 assist, 2 steal season a game season.

Anyways, you're rankings are pretty accurate in my opinion. Nice job, but theirs one huge problem I have.

Putting the Phoenix Suns that low is insane. Have you looked at their team lately? Quentin Richardson, Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, and Shawn Marion? That's pretty fucking outstanding.
So true. I would go so far as to swap Phoenix with Orlando. I am not a big fan of Steve Francis, so that bias has alot to do with it.
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Posted 2004-08-10, 10:48 AM in reply to kockblocker1's post starting "So true. I would go so far as to swap..."
I tried to do this as fairly as I could, without being too biased about it.

Uncapped, perhaps you're right, maybe Phoenix will do a lot better, but they were in the cellar last season, even when they had Stephon Marbury, who in my opinion was the best point guard in the league last year. They replaced him with Steve Nash, so the only real person they've picked up is Quentin Richardson. Now being the star player on the Clippers doesn't say too much. Perhaps he will help this team, but I don't think they'll be as high up as number five. Putting them at 18 means they have a serious shot at making the playoffs, and honestly, that's all I believe that they have.

Gary Payton is still a great point guard, Titus. He choked in the playoffs, but he was still really good throughout the rest of the season. You never know with the old guys though. When they decline, they decline fast.
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Posted 2004-08-10, 09:21 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I tried to do this as fairly as I..."
Shit man, never give up hope in The Glove. He is/was always great.

Meh, I've really got to start paying attention to the off-season. I didn't even know Phoenix picked up Steve Nash. In my opinion, he is way too underrated.
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Posted 2004-08-11, 09:45 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "Shit man, never give up hope in The..."
The Glove was great, but everybody inevitably gets old. Payton is reaching that point, if he's not there already. He was a great player, but he will slowly decline. Unless Boston had a very good chance of winning the championship this year, I don't see what good The Glove is going to do for Boston. He's not going to be along for too long, so if I was a GM in Boston, I'd probably look to trade for a younger player.

On the flip-side, I don't see what Boston will do for Payton either. If it's a championship he wants, it's not going to happen in Boston anytime in the foreseeable future. If Houston had gotten him, that would kick ass. I don't know where he'd fit in best, though, because just about every team I can think of that has a shot at the championship this year has a good point guard. The two best teams that I could see for him would be either with Indiana, or Dallas. In Indiana, they have a great point guard in Tinsley, but the experience that Payton would bring to Indiana at the point guard spot would be invaluable. Dallas could also use Payton, because I would still start him over Best or Terry. I don't give Dallas much of a shot this year, but Payton would have significantly increased their chances.

Steve Nash is underrated, but the most underrated point guard in the league has to be Tony Parker. That man can play some ball, yet you hardly hear anything about him. Steve Nash is still considered one of the premier point guards in the league, but Tony Parker is not, where he should be. The most overrated point guard, on the other hand, would have to be Steve Francis. He came in one or two years dunking like crazy, and everybody knows about him. He isn't the greatest of point guards. In my opinion, putting him at the two would be a good move.
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Posted 2004-08-11, 10:04 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "The Glove was great, but everybody..."
Indiana had an experienced point guard in Tim Hardaway. He owned back in the day. That said, he didn't really do anything for us.

Off topic: I think it's cool how Tinsley was picked up from the playground courts and made it into the NBA.
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