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Posted 2004-06-29, 08:47 AM in reply to Raziel's post "Battle! Sephiroth vs. Dracula"
Has Dracula ever been a playable character? I can't really think what to base this off of other than boss fights. Anyhow, I seriously don't see this going to Sephiroth. Say whatever you will about him, but this fight, just on principle, must go to Dracula.

He is the most famed villain ever. There have been umpteen billion movies about him, and the only reason he loses (most of?) them is because he is the evil that threatens the world. It's pretty rare the the bad guy wins and the world plunges into darkness.

Anyhow, if we take the series, only the Belmont clan (destined Dracula slayers) and Alucard are able to kill Dracula. Sephiroth isn't a Belmont, and he certainly isn't Alucard... because... Alucard is elsewhere in the brackets.

Anyhow, someone who's played SotN throw in some info. I haven't played the most popular Castlevania game, so I'm surey lacking on some good information. I'll throw something up later. I'm swamped at work and swamped with homework right now.... Bleh.
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Posted 2004-06-29, 12:59 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "Has Dracula ever been a playable..."
Although Dracula is very powerful, Sephiroth has something Dracula doesn't: a mom!!!
And Dracula just fights to control the world, which Sephiroth believes belongs to his mommy. Now, wouldn't you do everything possible to make your mom happy? YES! So Sephiroth has that, and besides, dracula's own son wants to kill him, so I am pretty sure he is in an emotional rut right now, so sucks to be him. That's what he gets for sleeping with mortals.

And Sephiroth looks better. So there. :P
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Posted 2004-06-29, 11:05 PM in reply to Draco2003's post starting "Although Dracula is very powerful,..."
Well, techically, Dracula did have a mother at one point. He was mortal once, and if you're mortal, you had to have spilled from a vagina.
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Posted 2004-06-30, 03:00 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Well, techically, Dracula did have a..."
Sephiroth. Seriously, look at him: Masamune, speed, METEOR

Those are more than enough for sephiroth to make quick work of Dracula.
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Posted 2004-06-30, 11:42 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Sephiroth. Seriously, look at him:..."
Meteor takes days, possibly weeks to summon. There's no concievable way he could summon it in this fight. The Masamune isn't a very convincing argument when Dracula has survived death repeatedly for millennia. I don't see any possible way that Seph could win this.
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Posted 2004-07-04, 12:52 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Meteor takes days, possibly weeks to..."
Yeah, Sephiroth couldn't do jack shit against the fucking lord of vampires.
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Posted 2004-07-20, 04:37 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post starting "Yeah, Sephiroth couldn't do jack shit..."
First off, Sepiroth was part of the very first Super-SOLDIER task force that was formed to bring Shinra Inc. to the Promise Land. He weilds an extremely powerful Masamune blade that takes down Dragons in a mere swing, and his swordsmanship is next to unmatched. His powers were considered unnatural by those who knew him, and the other Super-SOLDIERs.

It was in an attempt from Sephiroth to take the Jenova head out of a Mako factory that Cloud impaled him with his Masamune, critically wounding him.

After that incident, Sephiroth's body was sealed in a Mako chrysalis, which made his psyche extremely powerful, most likely from the Jenova cell mutation. During this state, he found that he was powerful enough to come together in a physical form, of which any shape he could fathom was possible. Meaning basically, he can fly, appear transparent, make himself almost ten times his normal size, and travel through the ground. It was through this process he was successfully able to retrieve the Black Materia and summon Meteor.

In this fight his psyche will come greatly into play to confuse Dracula.

Also, when he casts Meteor, the time guage in the game halts, and won't allow another attack to be maneuvered during that time, which means that we can either say (1) He can cast it, fight it out with Dracula, and when the time comes for the spell to be ready, it hits, or (2) No fighting occurs until Meteor is processed and hits it's target.
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Posted 2004-07-21, 12:32 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Meteor takes days, possibly weeks to..."
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Meteor takes days, possibly weeks to summon.
That is one big assumption actually. If the spell takes that long to cast, I don't think it would ever be used in the game, however it is. I still don't understand why Dracula would be able to attack a defenseless Sephiroth while he tries to cast Meteor, but no other character to ever face Sephiroth could? It just doesn't make logical sense to me.
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Posted 2004-07-21, 11:58 PM in reply to Titusfied's post starting "That is one big assumption actually. ..."
Titus, you're confusing Meteor with Supernova. Supernova is the summon he uses in the final battle. Meteor is the giant rock that hits the planet at the end of the game. Between the time that Sephiroth actually summons Meteor and the time that Meteor actually hits the planet, Cloud and his party engage in possibly weeks worth of activities. There's no way it could be used in this fight.


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I still don't understand why Dracula would be able to attack a defenseless Sephiroth while he tries to cast Meteor, but no other character to ever face Sephiroth could? It just doesn't make logical sense to me.
Because, Titus, there is no way to gauge how long it takes Sephiroth to cast a spell. You never actually take full control of Sephiroth at any point in the game, and therefore you don't know if while he's being attacked, he's actually in the process of trying to cast a spell. You know that Cloud has basically instantaneous spell-casting ability, but you don't know for certain when exactly it is that Sephiroth initiates the command to begin casting a spell, and therefore there is no concrete way of determining how long it takes him between beginning the casting process and actually using the spell. I'm not saying that this is irrefutable proof that his spell-casting abilities are slower, I'm just saying that there's no way to prove otherwise.

Heh, I also have another pretty crippling argument against Sephiroth, but it will take a while to post, and I'm not up for it right this second.

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