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Posted 2004-04-15, 09:14 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "Yeah, and look how we fucking saved..."
Funny? Granting a country sovereignty in a year and a half from a complete dictatorship isn't progress?

Hah. Haha. Hahahahaha!!!!!!
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Posted 2004-04-15, 09:17 PM in reply to Titusfied's post starting "Funny? Granting a country sovereignty..."
this going to be interesting!!! *I am sitting tight and watching*
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Posted 2004-04-16, 03:48 AM in reply to Titusfied's post starting "Funny? Granting a country sovereignty..."
Titusfied said:
Funny? Granting a country sovereignty in a year and a half from a complete dictatorship isn't progress?
Okay.. I don't know why you're calling it "granting them sovereignty."

It's more like "ignoring responsibilities." Or, "installing puppet leaders."

They're not being granted anything. They're basically being tucked away because the election is coming up. Who are they anyway? Nobody is really going to want to follow this council of whoever they're installing as the presidents. Even after we "leave" there is going to be mass violence there. Pretty much the only reason Iraq wasn't in as much shit as it's in now before we entered is that all the groups that want to shoot each other (and us) were afraid of Saddam. Now that he's gone, this power hole has formed and everyone wants to get in on it. We happen to be in the line of fire.

WE CANNOT JUST 'GRANT THEM SOVEREIGNTY' AND LEAVE.

The Bush council really FUCKED UP major on this one, not anticipating (or not caring) about the nationalism and racism occuring there, which is getting our soldiers killed daily. And it's only getting worse.

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Posted 2004-04-16, 03:27 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "Okay.. I don't know why you're calling..."
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WE CANNOT JUST 'GRANT THEM SOVEREIGNTY' AND LEAVE.
And we aren't. We are granting (for lack of better words) them sovereignty, but easing them into the whole scenario over the course of 2 or so years. First, by June 30th, they're Army will have been properly trained to handle riots, etc. as the Coalition is currently doing. At that time, other U.N. countries will be sending in forces to ensure peace is being maintained. At the turn of the new year, elections will incur for the Iraqi people to campaign and elect their own officials. Approxiamtely 9 months after Iraqi elected officials take office, that same elected board will draft their very own constitution. All in all, this process will be aided by the U.S.A. as well as over 7 other U.N. nations. We aren't just leaving as you suppose, we have a very well constructed timeline format for their people to organize themselves, and turn into a country ran by themselves.

Maybe you should read up on your facts, or hear nationally televised speeches and press conferences before you start making accusations that hold no actual bearing. You are simply speculating.

Bush may have done some things wrong, but in a summary of his words, he is not going to just abandon Iraq now. He will not let the Americans that were killed, death's happen in vain. And he isn't.

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Posted 2004-04-16, 04:46 PM in reply to Titusfied's post starting "And we aren't. We are granting (for..."
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Maybe you should read up on your facts, or hear nationally televised speeches and press conferences before you start making accusations that hold no actual bearing. You are simply speculating.
I don't trust all the speeches that the president makes. The "facts" are presented in a very different manner here, than elsewhere in the world. I'll expand later; I'm going to a baseball game right now.
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Posted 2004-04-16, 05:11 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I don't trust all the speeches that the..."
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.....
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Posted 2004-04-16, 10:18 PM in reply to Tai's post starting "Believe none of what you hear and half..."
We should not consider sunk cost.
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