Semi-Finals! Kuja vs. Raziel

Correct. I was thinking more of when he used it in battle.


Okay, how about this.


He switched quickly to Spectral Realm. He turned quickly and fled through the stone wall behind him. When the booming stopped, he ran quickly back into the other chamber and switched back to Physical Realm and he quickly scaled the wall.

And then I would just continue on with my original plan.

Ok i did some reasearch from one of the masters on this subject, we all know who he is , so lets see if i can help kuja kick some vampiric ass!


According to my source, all magical damage deat to kuja is cut in half. Give or take a little bit. All of raziel's glyphs require magic to produce, so all of his glyphs will be doing half damage at best.

As stated before, Kuja has the ultima ability, which we all know can cause massive destruction. And as stated previously, Raziel can only shift into the spectral plane at special shift points. This leads to one of two possibilities. One that could mean an instant win for kuja, bear with me as i explain.

The rules state that once raziel is forced into the spectral realm, the match is over. Now what happens in this scenario. Kuja and raziel are duking it out. Kuja Goes into trance. Its a fierce and close battle. Kuja casts ultima. Seing how it is a fast projectile of seething energy, it hits raziel square in teh chest, he is taking a beating and needs time to recoup, so he looks and finds a spectral shift point. He makes it in. Here is where the brilliance of kuja comes in. He casts some powerful spell (dont know any of the names sorry) and brings the whole cathedral down around them. The spectral shift points are burried deep within rubble. Raziel cant get out from teh spectral realm, so in a sence he is forced to stay there, game over kuja wins.

Another option would be is for kuja to use his emmence power and just bring down the whole arena to destuction. This would affectivly bury the spectral shift points, raziel would have no way of going in them. Puting raziel at a disadvantage.

KUja could also just levitate in trance, spewing all sorts of shit at raziel. Sure raz wont get tired, but one of these projectiles is bound to hit him.

Raziels soul might finally be put to rest...

And as stated previously, Raziel can only shift into the spectral plane at special shift points.

He can shift into the Spectral Realm anywhere at any time. He needs to find a shift point in the Spectral Realm in order to shift back into the Material Realm. Plus, time doesn't exist in the Spectral Realm, so trapping Raziel wouldn't work either. Raziel could spend literally decades in the Spectral Realm and once he found a way back into Material, the fight would resume as per normal. Kuja would percieve no amount of time between Raziel's shift into and from the Spectral Realm.

Because of the fact that the shift points are only located in Spectral, Kuja would have a difficult time locating them, considering he can't see them. On top of that, Raziel has an alternate way of shifting from Spectral to Material, but I won't even bring it up unless it becomes absolutelu necessary.

[A powerful attack Kuja could use is Flare Star.


Consider Kuja just hovers there, throwing spell after spell. All thses spells take time to perform. Raziel, is extremely quick. He could just scale the wall and launch himself at Kuja. Unless Kuja is exactly in the middle of the room and Raziel can't reach him. That would be bad.

But, agility and melee is still on Raziel's side. Kuja needs time to perform thse attacks, and he very well can't do this is Raziel is running everywhere. It would be like that game where you have the hammer and you try to whack the animal that keeps popping out of the different holes. Except, if you don't hit it quick, it will kill you in this instance.

No. Kuja will lose.

The battles are situated in an arena. Its to be taken place in the arena. This building, the cathedral, is just an add on to the arena. You can't necessarily leave the arena. What would stop someone who can fly from flying away when wounded to return later at full health. If kuja brings down the cathedral, in which the cathedrals base is the size of the arena, raziel has no where else to enter the material realm. He affectivly be stuck there, unless you make a rule that states an opponent can leave the arena, and come back at a later time. Because i know he can rematrialize at a shift point thats not obstructed by stuff OUTSIDE of the arena. SO raz, tell me what this other way of switching realm's is, because Raziel is gonna need it.

If kuja brings down the cathedral, in which the cathedrals base is the size of the arena, raziel has no where else to enter the material realm. He affectivly be stuck there, unless you make a rule that states an opponent can leave the arena, and come back at a later time.

To completely destroy the arena is to essentially say that one must be able to leave the arena in order to do so. If the Cathedral is destroyed, then the boundaries of the arena are breached. The only way Kuja could bring the Cathedral down without leaving the boundaries of the arena would be to bring it down on top of himself. That poses a problem, considering he'd be buried in rubble. So, no I'm going to have to say that Kuja is incapable of destroying the entire Cathedral based on the fact that it would be breaking the boundaries of the arena, and the combatants cannot leave the arena until the battle is finished. He can bring down portions of the structure, but not the whole thing.

Because i know he can rematrialize at a shift point thats not obstructed by stuff OUTSIDE of the arena. SO raz, tell me what this other way of switching realm's is, because Raziel is gonna need it.

Raz doesn't need to use his secondary shifting ability in this fight. The fact is, time does not pass in the Material Realm while Raziel is in Spectral. If Raziel shifted into Spectral, he would be shifted right back into Material before Kuja would have a chance to bring the roof down. There is no possible way that Kuja could "collapse the roof while Raziel is in Spectral." He could do it after Raz shifted back into Material, but not during, and if Raz is already back in Material, he can just move anything obstructing the shift point with TK or with his bare hands.

So, what you're saying Raziel is that Raziel can switch to the Spectral Realm and walk over to where Kuja is standing. Then, switch back to Material. And then, bring his Reaver down over Kuja's head?

Here is what happens when Raziel shifts from the Material Realm to the Spectral Realm:

Raziel stands in the middle of a circular stone platform in a grass clearing. There are six, straight stone pillars ringing the edges of the platform. Raziel shifts into Spectral, and suddenly everything around him warps and distorts. Everything around him is suddenly tainted a weird greenish/blue glow and the stone pillars are no longer standing straight, but are crooked and curved now instead. This once open grass clearing is now inhabited by a number of free-floating souls, and a few soul-scavenger creatures named Sluagh. Raziel devours a few souls, and is back at full health in no time. He sees a shift point located in the grass about 15 feet away from the center of that stone platform. He steps into the shift point, gathers all of his spectral energy and manifests himself in the Material Realm. From Raziel's perspective, it feels like about 15 or 20 minutes have passed since he shifted into Spectral.

This is how it would look to anyone who was watching Raziel shift:

Joe is standing about 30 feet away from the stone platform. He sees Raziel suddenly dissolve into nothing. The very instant that Raziel dissolves in the center of the platform, he re-appears 15 feet away from the platform, good as new. To Joe, it would appear as though Raziel teleported and healed his wounds at the same time.

So, no Raziel could not just shift back into Material behind Kuja and attack him, unless Kuja was being stupid enough to stand right in front of a shift point the instant Raziel shifted. Plus, Raziel can't see creatures that are in the Material Realm if he's in the Spectral Realm. He would just have to remember where Kuja was when he shifted.