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Posted 2009-06-04, 09:54 PM in reply to Lenny's post "The US should obliterate N. Korea."
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As we all know, N. Korea have been testing nuclear warheads recently, and have quite a nice stockpile of missiles. Many believe they pose a threat, but some feel otherwise:

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Why is the US so afraid of N. Korea and their Nucleur Bombs when we have Super Lasers that shoot beams as hot as a star. The US should just obliterate N. Korea and take it over.
The house proposes: "The US should just obliterate N. Korea and take it over."

Thoughts? Are you in opposition, or support of the proposition? Why?
You know, it was a joke when I said we should just obliterate them. I was trying to express the fact that everyone is scared of a country that is not a real threat to anyone. The nuclear bombs they have are as powerful as the ones from WW2. We now have nuclear bombs ten-times as powerful. And if we wanted to, at any time, the US or other large country could annihilate them within a blink of an eye. That's what I meant by my statement. Okay, I'm out.
 
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Posted 2009-06-04, 11:14 PM in reply to Goodlookinguy's post starting "You know, it was a joke when I said we..."
So because our bombs are bigger, theirs are less of a threat? A bomb that can decimate a city is still a bomb that can level a city, even if we have a bomb that can level a county.
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Posted 2009-06-05, 03:57 AM in reply to WetWired's post starting "So because our bombs are bigger, theirs..."
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So because our bombs are bigger, theirs are less of a threat? A bomb that can decimate a city is still a bomb that can level a city, even if we have a bomb that can level a county.

And the moment they blow up a city, we annihilate the country.
 
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Posted 2009-06-05, 08:28 AM in reply to Goodlookinguy's post starting "And the moment they blow up a city, we..."
You just want a nuclear holocaust now don't yah?
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Posted 2009-06-05, 08:48 AM in reply to Goodlookinguy's post starting "And the moment they blow up a city, we..."
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And the moment they blow up a city, we annihilate the country.
And how is that even remotely just? You're holding all of the citizens of the country responsible for the actions of a few stupid people in power.
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Posted 2009-06-05, 08:53 AM in reply to Goodlookinguy's post starting "And the moment they blow up a city, we..."
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And the moment they blow up a city, we annihilate the country.
That would be too late, wouldn't it.
Besides, I don't think nuclear warfare is a solution to this.
Just because the US has enough nuclear weapons to destory the world several times over, doesn't mean it is in the country's best interest to annihilate another country.


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Posted 2009-06-07, 05:04 PM in reply to Senesia's post starting "That would be too late, wouldn't it. ..."
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Just because the US has enough nuclear weapons to destory the world several times over, doesn't mean it is in the country's best interest to annihilate another country.

Rather, they're used as a threat (I forget the actual word ), right?

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The question is, what happens when N. Korea, who have all these bombs, and ordered by their crazy leader, to start a war with America because they've been itching for it for so long?

What would the best course of action be - pre-emptive, such as was the excuse with Iraq, or retialitive (look ma, I made a new word!), attacking only when Alaska has been decimated?

Is it right to kill a few thousand to save 320 million?
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Posted 2009-06-07, 06:08 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Rather, they're used as a threat (I..."
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Rather, they're used as a threat (I forget the actual word ), right?

Balance of terror? Unfortunately, one of the few strategies to win an all-out nuclear war is to almost annihilate the entire world, and ensure that whoever launches the next nuke will obliterate humanity with radioactive contamination. There will then be little incentive for the "losing" side to retaliate. Of course, this strategy is not very practical, since it's difficult to determine the exact amount of radioactive contamination required to end the human era. (Obviously, underground shelters are not taken into account.)

Strategy for victory: Always use pre-emptive strikes against nations and unions with inferior technology (such as North Korea) before they use WMDs and/or catch up with us. Focus most of your resources on trade and research. Make the proletariat accept increasingly limited freedom in favor of security. Offer them opportunities to oppose changes (e.g. via voting) that have no actual impact on the progress. Ensure that the majority thinks that they're fighting for the right side through arbitrarily defined incentives (such as money). Out-tech everyone else and become untouchable.

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Posted 2009-06-07, 06:09 PM in reply to Chruser's post starting "Balance of terror? Unfortunately, one..."
I thought it was
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Posted 2009-06-07, 07:13 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Rather, they're used as a threat (I..."
Lenny said: [Goto]
Rather, they're used as a threat (I forget the actual word ), right?

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The question is, what happens when N. Korea, who have all these bombs, and ordered by their crazy leader, to start a war with America because they've been itching for it for so long?

What would the best course of action be - pre-emptive, such as was the excuse with Iraq, or retialitive (look ma, I made a new word!), attacking only when Alaska has been decimated?

Is it right to kill a few thousand to save 320 million?
Do you mean deterrence?

One reason for having nukes is to deter adversaries from using that and sort of having a sense of security and defense. Even for North Korea and Iran, one reason why they desire for nuclear power is that they want to be safe from US and Israel.

I still believe in diplomacy concerning this.

As for the question, is it right to kill a few thousands to save 320 millions, I think it is not really the right way to look at it. Also, you question is really, is it right to kill a few thousands innocent because there are some reasons believe that they would cause harm to millions..


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