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Posted 2004-09-15, 02:30 AM in reply to robotbees's post starting "i dont think the bible missed anything..."
Ehm, I think that the Bible said that Cain and Abel were the sons of Adam and Eve, as I seem to remember something about Eve loving Abel more for his gentle nature, but I may be mixing in some Joseph... I don't really care, it's been years since I read any of that.

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robotbees said:
it is impossible to have evolution without God.
Last I checked, Satan caused the world to evolve, by triggering the banishment of Adam and Eve from Eden. Had they not eaten of the Forbidden Fruit, they would still be ignorant and happy in Eden.


robotbees said:
to have the faith that a big bang just existed without anything causing it is a bigger leap than to believe God caused it and far more obsurd
If God exists, why would he define a codified set of Laws (Physics), create a Big Bang, and whatnot rather than merely Create the world as the Bible says? Obviously, the Bible is wrong in the sense of God creating the world, and earlier versions even told of Him setting the stars and Sun to rotate around the Earth as a symbol for His love for us. Obviously, that's not the case, and that was removed lest people lose faith.


robotbees said:
basically none of that could happen unless acted on from outside.
evidence, solid, that an outside will exists.
I can turn that right around and ask what outside force brought about the existence of God? If you say, "He's always existed", I will ask, "Why couldn't Matter have always existed?". All things have a beginning. Even as I think Wilma said about the donut, sure it would work, but how did the donut start? We're just going to be going around in circles forever.
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