Who is your savior

I'm starting to become more and more Athiest. This frightens me. I've been brought up Christian my entire life. Now that I can actually think on my own and look at the straight-up facts, I have my doubts.

I'm a Realist.

Haha! Brilliant!!

See? Britain does produce some good things, such as Dr. Who!

One tiny mistake in the cartoon, though - it's not a phone booth, it's a Police Box!

Haha, w.e. I'm still christian. :P

And I'm Lenny. Nice to meet you.

I'm starting to become more and more Athiest. This frightens me. I've been brought up Christian my entire life. Now that I can actually think on my own and look at the straight-up facts, I have my doubts. I'm a Realist.

I don't understand. Why does it frighten you? If the evidence does not point to a God that should ease your transition over towards atheism. If, on the other hand, evidence pointed towards a God I could understand how becoming an atheist would be slightly frightening. You would be ignoring facts, and that is frightening. Right now, though, it would frighten me more if I became a theist.

If, on the other hand, I'm wrong and a vengeful, sadistic old-testament God exists I'm not on his side anyway. He is undoubtedly the most malevolent character in all of history. In that case his existence is really worse for me than if he did not exist.

In the remake that they show on Sci-Fi here in the USA it's a police box that is from the 60's I think. Still I like the Doctor and this is one of my favorite comic strips now!

It's frightening because I've been raised a Christian. My whole family is Christian. If they knew I was having these thoughts, I'm likely to go to a hardcore evangelist for some straightening out.

Also, I went to a church camp once and I wasn't a believer. At the end of the week, I was. This evangelist speaker was speaking in front of probably 300 kids and at the time I was thinking "There's no way this can be real.." and the dude walked off stage and came up to me, grabbed my chest and starting praying over me. Something overcame me, I fell over.. (maybe I was pushed), I don't know. It's hard to explain. Is it a coincidence he came up to me in particular? Who knows.

But, now that I've looked at both sides of things and really researched it, I'm leaning towards Atheism. Or as I like to call it, Realism.

If, on the other hand, I'm wrong and a vengeful, sadistic old-testament God exists I'm not on his side anyway. He is undoubtedly the most malevolent character in all of history. In that case his existence is really worse for me than if he did not exist.

Wouldn't it be amusing if Satan fell because he opposed God's bloody-handed methods?

Wouldn't it be amusing if Satan fell because he opposed God's bloody-handed methods?

Oh boy, I would so be a Satan worshiper.

"Pantheism" is the clear truth.

"Pantheism" is the clear truth.

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, I have a problem with pantheism. I'll expand on it tomorrow.

I went through something similar, but I'm a deist, not an atheist.

In every single Dr. Who episode there's been (from the original series, to the new series which started over here in 2005, of which we've just had our third), the Doctor's TARDIS is a 1950's-style London Police Box. Because of the fact that the chameleon circuits in that particular TARDIS don't work, it can never change its shape, and so always has been, and always will be, the blue police box.

Thanatos - I hear you on the growing up in the Evangelical dogma. I spent 8 years in private Christian (not to be confused with Catholic) school. The transition from that to a rather large public high school was traumatizing, to say the least.
I certainly don't agree with much that organized religion puts out there, but there is still part of me that is willing to believe in the supernatural. I refuse to believe that we're here as a species, operating on these intellectual and creative levels, simply because of some genetic mishap millennia ago. Not to say that I don't agree with evolution (the evidence is clear). Creationists are a bit...off. I'm going to leave it at that.

Oh, and the Doctor rocks.

"Genetic mishap" is a bit misleading.

Yeah, I guess I'm taking that a bit far. Sorry.

Quick question, which series [and episode] is the American showing of the new Dr. Who up to?

Well I've been through Lutheran schools for 12 years, and my dad quit his job to become a pastor. I thought that was crazy, but yeah. For awhile in high school I just hated religion, mainly because my teachers used circular reasoning, but that was because none of them were pastors. It was kind of messed up having a pastor teaching languages and math, but not religion. I will say that I do believe in Jesus and that there is a God, and that he did create the world. I've been having troubles believing everything thrown at me by this church, so we will see.


Oh, and when you say Christian, please say which denomination. That term is too broad. I'm WELS Lutheran, and that is very different from other Christian religions.

I refuse to believe that nothing comes from this. All our thoughts and just us..."souls" I suppose. Just the thought of dying and nothing coming of it isn't a possibility for me.