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Raziel 2003-11-26 04:34 AM

Quarter-Finals! Dante vs. Samus
 
Arena: The Lost Warehouse

In the Red Corner, the half-demon son of Sparda, the crimson-cloaked devil killer, from Devil May Cry: Dante!!!

And in the Blue Corner, the Chozo-trained bounty hunter, the power armored scourge of the Space Pirates, from Metroid: Samus Aran!!!

The smell of ancient decay overloads Dante's olfactory senses, as he stalks silently through the acres of abandoned crates. A rumbling in the ground foretells a possibly troublesome encounter. The interstellar bounty hunter hunches in the catwalks above, scanning the empty spaces for signs of her opponent. The demonslayer's eyes spy a curious metallic glint near the ceiling just as the bounty hunter catches a glimpse of a humanoid figure with her X-Ray visor.

As the half-devil leaps and lands the catwalk above, those ominous tremors he felt before intensify, and suddenly, the very foundation of the building splits in two. A monstrous earthquake shudders the entire building, and shows no signs of stopping. About 50% of the lighting (scattered randomly in patches) goes out entirely, leaving the two combatants in half darkness in the midst of a vicious earthquake. There is little time to dawdle, and both warriors must make their moves quickly if either one is to escape with their life...

!King_Amazon! 2003-11-26 09:18 AM

I'm sad this battle happened before I got my gamecube and metroid prime, I'm sure I'd be able to input better.

Titusfied 2003-12-01 01:36 PM

Well, this is quite pathetic. I can't believe this is getting no action what so ever. I'd put my money on Samus though, Dante is such a twat rocket compared to her badass self. ;)

Senesia 2003-12-01 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raziel
A monstrous earthquake shudders the entire building, and shows no signs of stopping.

Does it mean the building will be shaking throughout the battle, and there are probably no room (time) for playing in a defensive style?

Raziel 2003-12-01 11:39 PM

Yes, the building is falling apart rapidly and there is constant, violent shaking. Events such as these are a new feature that I'm adding to the later stages of the tournament. It went all but ingored in the X vs. Cloud thread, and I will not have the same happen here!! Deal with the new impediment in any fashion that you see fit!

!King_Amazon! 2003-12-02 08:28 AM

Well Dante had to flee from the castle in DMC1, dunno about DMC2. He has some experience in environments like this.

Samus had to flee from a planet in this condition at the end of Super Metroid. I don't think the environment would affect either of them too much, but Samus has armor, so she would be protected from debris.

WetWired 2003-12-02 10:55 AM

Samus space jumps and screw attacks Dante repeatedly. Having absolutely no need for any sort of footing, Samus wins.

PS. Yes, once I obtained the screw attack orb in Metroid II, screw attacking was my answer for everything except the incredibly well armored Metroids, which I screw attacked to escape their attacks, then landed, fired some missles and screw attacked past them again.

Senesia 2003-12-02 02:06 PM

Dante can stand on the enemy without taking damage, and he can perform any attack when he's on someone. The Rolling Blaze can save Dante out of a lot of dangerous situation for its invincibility.

Dante will have his advantage when it comes to melee battling, his speed, quick reaction and deadly weapons will certainly help him in the fight.

He can also use his devil mode, which gives him more speed, damage, defend and other moves, not to mention his health will recover during devil trigger.

He can either use that, or he can use the devil gauge for Bangle of time, freezing the time and land some deadly combo with Ifrit on Samus.

He can also use his air raid ability during devil trigger, soaring around and shoot lightning to Samus while she's on the shaking ground.

Titusfied 2003-12-02 05:45 PM

With Samus's Auto-Lock on her guns, there is basically no way Dante can win, especially since he won't be able to substantially hurt her.

sh0e 2003-12-02 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Titusfied
With Samus's Auto-Lock on her guns, there is basically no way Dante can win, especially since he won't be able to substantially hurt her.

i think you are underestimating the demonic and magical nature of dante

and dante is a lot more resilient than just some normal guy and could probably match samus in terms of taking damage
i mean the guy gets impaled through the heart on giant swords multiple times and laughs it off

Senesia 2003-12-02 06:54 PM

Auto-Lock is different from Homing, it is not hard to dodge. Hell, in the battle system in Devil May Cry, all of Dante's firearm has auto-lock. When you have Dante on his shoot mode (Holding up his firearms), he will move his guns as the target moves. It's auto. There is no aiming required in DMC as well.

Ranged attacks are always possible to dodge and avoid, and Dante has a lot of experience in such field. Just take a look at his last battle in DMC1 vs. Mundus.

There are some small spheres moving around shooting at Dante, Mundus is shooting red lasers at Dante, and there are other spinning dark spheres around Mundus which also shoot red lasers at random directions. At the same time, Mundus can send in waves of energy (diagonal energy wall).

Other than that, there is a row of white spheres which will gradually move toward Dante and explode at contact. Also, if Dante didn't destroy the small spheres fast enough, they will turn into fireball and shoot at Dante.

Lava Pillars also rise at Dante position, so there are no time to stop. Mundus can also summon masses of fireball and launches them at Dante from the air. On top of all that, Mundus can summon a Lava Dragon to aid him.

In that battle, Dante is standing on a platform surrounded by lava, and is being attacked contiunously.

About dealing effective damage, well, from DMC1&2, Dante has access to Ebony and Ivory (Dual Pistol, no recoil), Shotgun, GrenadeGun, Submachine gun, Rocket Launcher etc., along with those Firearms, he also has his Alastor, Ifrit gaunlets and the Legendary Sparda. (Don't want to involve DMC2 melee weapons, because the system is different.)

WetWired 2003-12-02 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Senesia
Samus while she's on the shaking ground.

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Originally Posted by WetWired
Having absolutely no need for any sort of footing, Samus wins.

Samus can remain invulnerable indefinately, and do damage at the same time. Unless Dante can also remain invulnerable indefinately and do damage while invulnerable, Samus wins.

Raziel 2003-12-02 11:36 PM

Yeah, WetWired is technically right about that. The Space Jump allows her to maintain the Screw Attack indefinitely. And she's completely invulnerable while she's doing it.

Senesia 2003-12-02 11:43 PM

Can Samus regain balance if say, she got hit while jumping? Time freeze, Rocket Launcher, time freeze ends, Samus falls.

P.S. I've never played Metroid, no gamecube. Might buy one this Christmas, or make someone buy it.

Raziel 2003-12-02 11:53 PM

The thing is, when she uses the Screw Attack, her entire body is cocooned in electricity and plasma. That's what defends her from atttacks. If she was frozen, I'm not sure a rocket would be able to penetrate the energy field.

Plus, even is she was knocked off balance, she'd still be in the air, and her suit automatically re-adjusts her balance and weight distribution during a fall. That's why she doesn't get knocked down, and why she doesn't take fall-damage.

The Time Freeze/Rocket combo is debatable though.

Senesia 2003-12-03 12:05 AM

Or Time Freeze/Charged GrenadeGun. By Charging up, there are magical elements added to the impact.

This will break her indefinate invulnerablity at least, if not destroy her.

EDIT:
Shouldn't have edited...

Raziel 2003-12-03 12:17 AM

I need to stop yapping and let someone else take a shot at it. I can come up with a number of counter-arguments, but I don't want this to turn into Raziel vs. Senesia.

Senesia 2003-12-03 12:26 AM

I may as well take more things from DMC 2...

Dante can equip up to 3 Devil Hearts, and he'd probably want Quick, Offense, Frost/Flame Hearts, while switching to Healing, Chrono, and Offense Hearts in Devil Trigger.

Quick - enables Dante to move much faster.
Offense - increases the damage he deals out
Frost/Flame - Increase range of melee and adds the respective elemental damage
Healing - Heals much faster in Devil Mode
Chrono - Freezing the time whenever triggering Devil Mode



P.S. I originally edited my last post, but then Raziel posted already, so I post this as a new post so that people don't miss it.

!King_Amazon! 2003-12-03 08:29 AM

Samus can't be hurt while she's moving and screw attacking, so how would it be any different when she is frozen? It's not like the shield and all that would go away while time is frozen.

sh0e 2003-12-03 10:50 AM

But it should be asked if Samus' invulnerability is effective against the "demonic" powers of Dante. There is a distinction, for example, in DMC between normal and "underworld" technology. And after all, Samus' power is basically powered by the armor she wears, which is designed with just technological "worldly" aspects in mind (?).
Nightmare B(Beta) is a good example a "gun" of "underworld" technology. (to note is that it drains DT gauge)

You aren't allowed to enter the "Devil Trigger" while using Sparda.. I think.

btw is "Super Dante" legal? You open him after beating DMC on "Dante Must Die" mode and you play from beginning to end as this character (starting over). You become a demon with infinite DT.


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