Is god real?

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Ok reason I think god is not real ... and if u disagree the bible was written by humans so dont use it as proof. First of all every holy book / crest / statue / picture etc was manually formed by a human so how dont you not know that person was just being creative. Also people miss people and want them to be remebered after death ... what a good exscuse to have them not be forgotten and say that they arnt dead they are still living with use ... others have been in the same situation but havent became gods. Such as RObin hood, shakespeare, King Arthur, and more. And for the random healings, if u think about it your body really cant work effiecently under pressure. When people let it go at ease by praying etc they arnt thinkin negetive so that might enable them to heal, most of the time tho they die right after they get the random healing. More Ideas its early and im still kinda sleepy. =\

Oh shit. Here we go again.

Ok reason I think god is not real ... and if u disagree the bible was written by humans so dont use it as proof. First of all every holy book / crest / statue / picture etc was manually formed by a human so how dont you not know that person was just being creative. Also people miss people and want them to be remebered after death ... what a good exscuse to have them not be forgotten and say that they arnt dead they are still living with use ... others have been in the same situation but havent became gods. Such as RObin hood, shakespeare, King Arthur, and more. And for the random healings, if u think about it your body really cant work effiecently under pressure. When people let it go at ease by praying etc they arnt thinkin negetive so that might enable them to heal, most of the time tho they die right after they get the random healing. More Ideas its early and im still kinda sleepy. =\

Ok reason I can't read that is you not make sense.

*moved to Gen Con*

If you actually want to have this conversation, I'd reccomend reading at least some of this thread first: http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7771

...I really hate these threads...I will discuse this topic w/ anyone who really wants help in it and is willing to learn or at least be open minded insted of a dick about it, but these threads get way out of hand...I personaly believe that God is there helping us...anyway if you want help in the topic then PM me I'll be happy to talk to you, but like I said...these threads are useless...

Shouldn't this thread be somewhere else...like not in the Flame Forum, perhaps?

Returning to the topic, there are plenty of other reasons to believe that there is some sort of higher being controlling things. For instance, if you look back on the evolution of human beings you'll find that it had to have taken a great deal of "luck" to have even gotten to where we are today. Our ancestors could have been wiped out of existance countless times. It took so much luck, in fact, that the majority of religious people find it hard to even grasp that some sort of higher being wasn't involved. Others yet believe in the Adam and Eve events. I myself find it hard to believe that we just popped into existance one day. There's way too much proof on the side of evolution. However, I also don't think that we could have come this far without some sort of "Divine Poking and Prodding". There's always the chance that it was all just merely luck, though.

As for believing that deceased people going to "Heaven", I think it's just a way ease the pain of the loss. If you just told a child that the person who died was just no longer alive, gone, slam-bam-dead, Poof!, All Gone!...It could be emotionally scarring. When my Grandfather died it helped to know that he was going to Heaven. It wasn't as painful to know that he was still looking over me. I think a good term would be "Spiritually Alive".

And as for the Bible...? Yeah, that's just a good peice of fiction, IMHO. Great reading material.


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Aha. Moved as I was typing the post.

I think it is funny that when people are trying to "preach the good word" they just say "Shut up and listen and don't be a dick about it, because I am right and you are wrong and I am just trying to make you think the same way as me and bow down to a man in the sky who opresses people and makes them worship him. Oh, and he says you can't have fun, because it makes the losers of the world feel bad that they can't."

The "shut the fuck up" mentality comes from people refusing to accept or even listen to points made from the opposition. At a certain point, people get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again.

"Man wrote the Bible."
"Man made it up."
"Man made up those stories."
"Man made up Heaven."
"Man made religious images."
(That's the same argument.)
"I've never seen God."
(That's just ignorance. You can't argue against anything using ignorance...)

But at the same time, if someone did make a valid point, the religious person probably wouldn't respond logically. Afterall, religion doesn't work around the mentallity of being logical.

If you'd like to provide an example, I'll happily oblige.

Make your point, and I'll see if I can't be logical about it.

Then, I'll make one of my own, and we'll see how well you operate in the same situation.

I do however believe in a god and in a religion, but I refuse to preach it to random people and call them close minded ass holes just because they can't think up a good point to defend the way that they think.