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Posted 2008-02-28, 02:29 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "It's not exactly a double standard. ..."
D3V probably provides 30% of the topics on this forum nowadays. He creates many post-worthy threads. People can change, Raziel. D3V now is definitely not D3V of the past.

All I'm saying is, KA/MJ posted RickRoll videos (an obvious misleading link) while D3V pulls the same thing with a flash video. Two links directing you to two videos. D3V is banned, KA/MJ don't even receive a warning.

So, yes, there are double standards.
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Posted 2008-02-28, 03:25 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "D3V probably provides 30% of the topics..."
I am lucky! I have never fallen for something like that! Besides, I wouldn't care if Brittany died anyhow.
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Posted 2008-02-28, 06:54 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "D3V probably provides 30% of the topics..."
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D3V probably provides 30% of the topics on this forum nowadays. He creates many post-worthy threads. People can change, Raziel. D3V now is definitely not D3V of the past.
And he's gone through these supposed "changes" multiple times in the life of this forum, only to revert back into stereotypical D3V. My ability to trust his current run of behavior is nonexistant, because history has proven he can't maintain it. It wouldn't surpise me in the least if several other members felt the same way. Enjoying his current trend of decent behavior, but on their toes for his next descent into absurdity.

If he's being watched more feverishly than other members, he's only got himself to blame for it.
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Posted 2008-02-28, 07:21 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "And he's gone through these supposed..."
Nah, D3V isn't close to being the model member, but he's nowhere near as bad as he used to be, and I don't think he will be in the future.
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Posted 2008-02-29, 06:59 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "And he's gone through these supposed..."
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And he's gone through these supposed "changes" multiple times in the life of this forum, only to revert back into stereotypical D3V. My ability to trust his current run of behavior is nonexistant, because history has proven he can't maintain it. It wouldn't surpise me in the least if several other members felt the same way. Enjoying his current trend of decent behavior, but on their toes for his next descent into absurdity.

If he's being watched more feverishly than other members, he's only got himself to blame for it.
Your opinions would change if you were an active member and noticed his progress in becoming less of a retarded bafoon. Well, maybe not change, but it may surprise you.

Anyway, I was just pointing out the double standards. I don't really care, just made an observation. How about we don't enforce that ridiculous rule if no harm is done? Hell, if every member got banned for misleading links on some of the other forums I visit, there would be no member base.
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Posted 2008-02-29, 05:24 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "Your opinions would change if you were..."
I still visit daily, and read possibly a third of the interesting topics, I just don't post much. I've watched his progress, and yes, I agree, for the time being he is much better than the pinnacle of stupidity he was striving for in the past.

However, I stress, for the time being. Like I said, he's done this countless times in the past, and always reverted into a pile of gibbering dumb. I'm not saying his current behavior is poor, its fine by all standards. I just don't trust it'll stay this way. He gets that itch under his skin, and makes the choice to entertain himself by becoming a nuisance again.

I agree with you entirely on the enforcement of rules here. I think many are unnecessary, and their execution has a tendency to exhibit signs of one-sided monitoring. However, that doesn't mean I think people should be allowed to just run wild and break those rules consciously because they don't agree with them. This isn't 1776, rules and laws are not changed through acts of rebellion and defiance. You discuss, and come to an agreement. If you don't like the outcome, you're free to bitch about it all you want, or leave. But I don't support the idea that just because a rule popularly believed to be unfair is in place, that means you should be forgiven for consciously breaking it.

Not that this opinion specifically pertains to this situation, because D3V was apparently unaware that misleading links are a bannable offense. However, it does pertain to his overall mentality of the rules in previous situations. All I'm saying is that "martyring yourself for the cause" means nothing online. Have a concise discussion about it, aimed directly at the governing authority, and maybe you'll achieve something.

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I don't even really care that I was even banned. Like i've said before, I think the rules need to be restructured. I tried to explain them in about 2 minutes worth of spam typing a while back and everything seemed to get rejected. I think as long as you aren't redirecting a link to a fucking WArez site, p0rn0 site, or anything that contains trojans then who honestly gives a fuck?..
The reason for the rule's existence seems this way to me, D3V. You post a misleading link. It's harmless fun and nobody gets hurt or in trouble. Then MJ does it. Same story. Then King does a few. No blowback, no punishment. Then Titus does two or three, then Me, then Sovereign and so on and so on. The forum accepts the idea of blind links being okay, so the moderators stop checking for them. Then we've got leet5killz69 posting ad links, the moderators don't catch it because misleading links are acceptable and they're not trolling for them. Then bustanut52 starts posting porn, killyerPC starts posting links to trojans and now we've got a problem.

The mods should be checking links presented in threads to make sure this crap doesn't happen, but if there's no harm-no foul in any kind of blind link, they're not checking for trouble and suddenly we find ourselves mired in it. That's why. Shit, we've had currently active, longstanding members crash the forum before, so there's really no trusting what someone will or won't do when they're posting links on the boards. That's it. I agree that perhaps the temp ban rule is a little harsh for an honest to God no harm blind link. Maybe just a temp loser tag or something to that effect. But, the rule still needs to be there, dude.

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Posted 2008-02-29, 05:28 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "I still visit daily, and read possibly..."
D3V has been banned for it before. He has a selective memory.
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Posted 2008-02-29, 05:38 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "D3V has been banned for it before. He..."
His selective memory is about as far from a new discovery as you can get, WetWired.
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Posted 2008-02-29, 06:19 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "His selective memory is about as far..."
I generally agree with you, Raziel. I don't believe D3v will continue to be how he is, he has even hinted at reverting a bit lately, when he challenges rules and knows he's going to get banned just so he can bitch about it.

However, it was dumb to ban him in this case. If the links posted were not harmful, it's really dumb to ban him for it. In this case, I don't support WW in enforcing the rules. Before, I did, because having very nearly naked women on the public forums could be NSFW, and since a lot of people surf from work, that's a problem.

However, in this case, it was a link, which was completely harmless, and completely optional to click. WW was just looking for an excuse to ban D3v, in my opinion.
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Posted 2008-02-28, 08:00 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "D3V probably provides 30% of the topics..."
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D3V probably provides 30% of the topics on this forum nowadays. He creates many post-worthy threads. People can change, Raziel. D3V now is definitely not D3V of the past.

All I'm saying is, KA/MJ posted RickRoll videos (an obvious misleading link) while D3V pulls the same thing with a flash video. Two links directing you to two videos. D3V is banned, KA/MJ don't even receive a warning.

So, yes, there are double standards.
Let me just clarify this so I don't look like more of an ass than usual. While I don't like D3v most of the time and wouldn't care if he were banned forever, I stuck up for him, as did Lenny. I don't think the ban was fair. However, WW makes the call.

Technically, it was against the rules, but so were the threads me and MJ posted.

Either way, let's just be sure not to blame KA for this, because KA was against it.
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Posted 2008-02-29, 06:22 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Let me just clarify this so I don't..."
I don't even really care that I was even banned. Like i've said before, I think the rules need to be restructured. I tried to explain them in about 2 minutes worth of spam typing a while back and everything seemed to get rejected. I think as long as you aren't redirecting a link to a fucking WArez site, p0rn0 site, or anything that contains trojans then who honestly gives a fuck?..














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