D3V You're right, you make a very good point about what good is getting information if it's not used properly. I am begining to agree with the anti waterboarding points.

Grav, if you think I am "chest-thumping" then that makes you a pussy, if you think working hard and holding pride in what I have earned is over the top, then you have much to learn my friend. Nothing in that article mentioned hating those words, just that they do not weigh on my conciense.
But aparently you are willing to take something completely out of context, inject it into another topic and personally attack me with it. Torture, national security, and foreign policy were not a part of these words that describe so called societal victims.

Although I do now understand that you misconstrue just about everything I say.

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