death penalty
 

what do u guys think about the death penalty? a judge in my area is about to decide whether or not to put it into affect in my area. i hope he goes against it.

What do u guys think???

I think it would be worse to sit in a jail cell for the rest of your life then to die painlessly.

I am unsure on it, becuase in one hand, we have a murderer/rapest who deserves it, but on the other hand....Thou shalt not commit murder.

this should go in conspyracy

I think they should die...but I do agree w/ bryan....

wasn't there an extremely simmilar thread a while back...

Well...im completely opposed to the death penalty.

exactly, an eye for an eye makes the world blind. we are being just as bad as the murderers themselvs when we execute them.

How so? We are executing someone who is so evil, that they essentially forfeit their life. They don't DESERVE to live after murdering a whole family or so. The only justice for the ultimate crime is the ultimate punishment. It does cost more to put someone to death (lawyer / court fees) than to keep 'em alive, but so what? True justice is not always cost-effective.

As I said before - if they made jails especially for these idiots, where they DON'T get 3 big meals a day, gyms to help them beat up prison guards, and they DO have to do hard labor, THEN I would be opposed to the death penalty, since that would be worse than death. Might even cut down on the murders committed.

And yes, there is another thread like this.

i dont think they should die...

But you forget that in biblical times there were quite a few crimes with a penalty of being stoned to death, which was the penalty that God set. I really don't think that executing someone by proper authorities as the result of a crime counts as murder.

yes to death penalty, they deserve it, i mean if you say an eye for an eye... what about the noah flood? how many eyes is that?

Right.

The state following its own rules which are known beforehand != murder.

Breaking those rules by killing another = murder, and is punished by the government for that specific crime.

Not all murders are death-penalty worthy, though. Killing mentally retarded people is just wrong. They didn't know that they were breaking any rules, and they wouldn't understand why what they did is wrong. Jail for them, to keep them from the rest of society.

I think muder is murder.

if i were a murderer, i would much rather have the death penalty than life in prison. id rather die painlessly than get butt fucked for 60 years, but i don't know about you guys.

Yes i totaly agree with you.

well maybe then ull think twice before comiting the murder? plus should u kill the guy that injects the murderer as he is then killing the murderer... no matter what i dun think anyone should EVER have the right to kill someone no matter what the one u wnat to kill has done

I think it would be a better punishment for them to have to live and suffer for the rest of their life. but that is just me.

Right now I think there are far too many people that don't deserve life. But on the other hand who can really say who does and doesn't? Also once more there has been people who have been killed and later they were proven not too be guilty, that is unacceptable. The thing about it all the stuff they offer at prison makes it a waste of cash (cable, entertainment, Labour free) but the current cost of executing outweighs that of keeping an inmate in prison for his entire life (average). IMO the whole system needs too be reworked or for all the flaws to be pushed out. I feel we are too easy going on our inmates and no one really thinks about the fact they will be punished untill after they've done it, what kind of deterent is that?

The system may be one of the best in the world but it still lacks complete justice to the victim and the nation harbouring the crimnal. I think if the person is going to be inhuman to there victim then the government should have the right to be inhuman back, plus that saves us millions of dollars (instead of spending all that money on the execution put them in an alley and shot them in the head).

What they NEED to do is figure out how to erase someone's memories, if its even possible. That'd be perfect, knock 'em out, erase memories, and dump them in a random country. They won't know anything, maybe not even how to talk. And just start over.

Who are we to judge who is evil or not? WHO ARE YOU TO EXECUTE SOMEONE. The poper authorities are bullshit...the proper authorities are frikin ran by george w. And god isn't telling us what to do...he gave us free will. If he thinks that someone should be punished he'll do it himself. God will do as he sees fit...other than that we have no more right to kill a murderer than he has to kill an innocent man. What difference does it make if he lives in prison (where he is harmless to the outside world) or if he's dead (where he is obviously harmless) In fact by leaving him alive you are simply showing him forgiveness...a virtue of the christian god himself. The proper authorities are also WHACK. So you got a frikin law degree...that don't give you the right to execute someone. Jury by peers is also bullshit....these people judgin you aint your peers...they aint ever known you. Also I don't know if uve hurd but nowdays they can set up martial law for you if you're even SUSPECTED terrorist. The last thing that sets me off about the death penalty is what if you're innocent. WHAT IF YOU'RE SON OR DAUGHTER WAS AT THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME. Wouldn't you want them to have a chance to live. Inoccents are murdered in tha row...there aint no doubtin it so that completely ticks me off and I refuse to believe that we are bringing justice by Murder. For those of you that are christian christ never believed in an eye for an eye. And how are you going to say that god set up stoning. You know as well as me that is cruel and unjust punishment. That is just bs if you're gonna tell me that...how are you gonna believe somethin like that man. I mean have your beliefs and all but don't be blind to other possibilities.

I'm really undecided about this whole topic. Yeah, murdering is wrong and there is no excuse for it. But, as Jamesadin pointed out, "Thou shalt not murder."

Anyways, I voted unsure.

Anyone seen Minority Report? The "halo" that they use would be a perfect, yes painless and feared puneshment.

yes thats a good movie

That was the most confusing movie I've ever seen, but ya somone should invent something like that.

Yeah but it also says an eye for an eye... It talks about in the book of Genesis when Cain killed Abel God said who ever finds him should kill him...

did god ever personally tell the executioner to kill the person they were killing???

WTF? This is not about what bible says or not!!!!! Noone can give proofs of god existance but, the person executed do exists. This is a common sense problem, noone has the right of freely disposing of other lives, and executing someone is not really a punishment for him, since he's not gonna feel it. Execution is just a way of "vengeance" based in human anger, It's plain and simple RETROGRADE, It's people like those who says "IT'S RIGHT" Those who at other times encouraged the Inquisition, of course then, human rights weren't considered as now... Death penalty it's insane, just look wich countries are holding it... USA, Islamic countries and countries like that... Time you guy open your eyes and lear to respect human life.

sirpullido is right

It's still justice. The offender is removed from society, and his life is gone. No more murder / rape combos from that loser.

Right. It IS based on vengenance. Why else would we have jails? The offender HAS TO BE PUNISHED SOMEHOW.

I'll ignore the fact that you put one of the most free and prosporous countries in with shiathole countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

The Inquisition was a stupid point in history, where misinterpretation lead to deaths. Much like current-day Extreme-Islam. It had nothing to do with justice at all. The Bible does not call for the death of infidels, instead it encourages forgivness in the wake of Jesus Christ. HOWEVER, if the criminal "kills one of his fellow man, he shall surely be killed by his fellow man". Murder is evil, Justice is not.

The government has every right to enforce its laws in the most fair way it has. Keeping murderers alive in the current jail system isn't the best punishment right now.. it's the death penalty.

Again, like I stated before, if the jail system were "improved", it would become a better punishment, and therefore the death penalty would become outdated. Simple as that.

wouldn't putting him in jail remove the offender from society therefore removing him from having the ability to rape and murder.

It could simply be so that the offender doesn't have the ability to harm other innocent people...it is also considered a punishment but there is no better way to keep people safe from criminals.

Not all islamic countries are "shiatholes". And plus we're all talking about laws here so wether it's iraq, saudi arabia, or the USA it's all the same...a law is a law. Your statement "murder is evil, justice is not," is my point exactly. Murder and justice cannot coincide.

I agree with bluecube, think about it if someone killed your brother (mother,sister, father, aunt, etc.) how would you feel knowing they were in jail where they don't have too work (except common chores) they get free food, Cable tv, matinee movies, concerts, and Videogames....

I agree wholeheartedly tae...if some1 were to kill my family id be pissed off and would want 2 kill them. I would want 2 kill them myself...first of all...not let the government kill them. But I also have 2 say if some1 were to kill some1 in my family I wouldn't be in the right state of mind to base a decision like that. The only reason I would be killing//murdering that person would be out of pure vengance//hate//spite. I'm not a religious person but in my own personal set of morals and values I disagree with vengance and hate...and try not to commit acts b/c of them. No one is perfect I understand and everyone at times loses there temper and a serious time such as a family member being murdered is not a time I guess you can be logical. I understand where you are coming from cube and tae but since I'm not mad at someone like that and am in a calm frame of mind I cannot stand here and say that murder is the answer for murder. If someone were to kill my family my views would most likely change...but not by me thinking the whole thing through but purely because of vengance and hate. Also consider your mother//father//sister or some1 else close to you falsely accused of murder and put 2 death. Wouldn't you at least want 2 give them a chance in jail...

If somone murders a family, they should be raped in the asshole witha 12 inch dildo.
THATS punishing enough

I agree and also what if they really did do it...what then?? and another thing if you put them in jail (this was brought up in class the other day) they may have the chance of exscaping.

If the death penalty was enforced uniformly and vigilantly it would maybe an effective detterent to violent crime. As it stands right now in most states it is a joke. 70% of criminals sentenced to death in the United States die in prison anyway..and as for spending the rest of your life in prison being "punished" with cable tv, 3 hot meals and a bed most of these guys are probably improving their street situation.. The USA needs some serious reforms to its justice system (less lawyers) but it is still among the best in the world.

No one is interested in hearing your personal problems with the Bible. If someone chooses to use it as a reference for arguing the validity of the death penalty, they may use it. In like, one may draw another source from the Bible to argue with the previous statement, or one may choose to ignore it together and focus on another fact. Since you cannot prove that the Bible is not a valid source, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I am tired of people saying, "that's stupid! it's all fake and its crap!" With absolutely no evidence or presented reasoning as to say it. So, either make another point, or get off the Bible.

My brother once rolled a joint out of bible paper I kicked his ass for it but I think it is funny in a sacrilegious sort of way.
Back on topic though I agree with you, everyone that is, because everyone makes very valid statements and it is hard too make the right decision even if "god" endowed it. Shit I think if god came out tommorow and told everyone too walk into the ocean and drown very few would listen thats why I think finding the result for this that would best fit humanity is key. The only thing about that is everyone has a vastly different opinion thats why maybe what we have now isn't soo bad it is compromised too please mostly everyone.

They used to do that back during WWII I think...they would buy "special" books from book stores and smoked the pages...

They should bring back hangings for all states...and host them on Pay Per View...

hahah thats pretty funny and the pages for the bible are nearly the same as the real papers that are intented too be smoked hmmm :confused: maybe god was a rasta :p