Should the US attack Iraq?

[Chruser]

Personally, I don't exactly like Saddam very much, but I don't like the urban warfare. Lots of civilians are most likely going to die if the US attack Iraq.

[Grav]

Lots of US Soldiers, too.

Their army is huge compared to what Afghanistan had.

I have no comment.

[Chruser]

An expert in the area of urban warfare mentioned that up to 1,000 US soldiers could die if things go bad. Of course, since it's urban warfare, it's not very unlikely that the Iraqi troops will actually take cover behind civilians. It won't be as easy to spot an obvious enemy either, and contemplating for only a second would most likely get you killed.

[JohnnyTAE]

I think the US should topple Iraqs regime the longer we wait to attack him the stronger his army gets and the chances of him finding weapons of mass destruction hightens we need to go for it and take him out then take over the country and use it for our oil needs...

whatever the cost it is worth it, Have you seen what he does to his own people even his own brother

[Sum Yung Guy]

Id glady go over there and help in an attack.

[ViciousMilitia]

why don't we just blow everything except afganistan on the map off?

[Strider Fury]

thats what the US had always been doing; carpet bomb everthing in sight until even the rubble has been bombed over, then sent in a couple of marines to check if anything its still alive, and move on. but they cant do that in the case of iraq. right now the situration is that the US is on its own, no country is willing to help the states in case they attack, so they are pretty much on their own.

[ViciousMilitia]

fuck war

[Jamesadin]

No , send in the inspectors to check the nuclear facilities, but I just dont want a World War III. And since Canada is the US's ally, we get blamed too.

[ViciousMilitia]

like i said fuck was

[JohnnyTAE]

Just think about another 9/11 but worse it's in your neighborhood and his fault not a unknown target we need to stop him before more attacks on the us happen or any other country

I would also gladly give my life to know I was part of stopping him

[Strider Fury]

this is going to be vietnam all over again. at least i hope not, for the sake of the US and Iraq.

[Chruser]

After all, life is a game, so why not gamble while you can?

[Jamesadin]

true, and it wont be a vietnam, we have more allys, more firepower, and better battle tactics

["CRØNîC-KîLLå"]

all i ahve to say is by them attacking it will make them more pissed off... people in iraq are fucken crazy, comparable to afgany's ... what if they get pissed and drop some nerve gas on us? a vile could take out 1 state in the u.s..... the u.s. has known that iraq has been making biological warfare weapons and making new viruses for over 20 years now... they even blew up like 2 of their factory's 5 years ago or so...

[JohnnyTAE]

Being afraid of there actions is the worst reason not to do it because if we have a reason to fear them it means they must be stopped

[Strider Fury]

Originally posted by Jamesadin
true, and it wont be a vietnam, we have more allys, more firepower, and better battle tactics

no, no one is going to be helping the states on this one. if they are going to fight, they are going to be pretty much on their own. saddam also knows that the states have a stronger military, thats probably why they would not take the battles to the open plains like they did in the gulf war but inside their cities.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Dont worry because of the game Americas Army I bet alot of people would join the army for something like this. We got the numbers.

[JohnnyTAE]

Originally posted by Strider Fury


no, no one is going to be helping the states on this one. if they are going to fight, they are going to be pretty much on their own. saddam also knows that the states have a stronger military, thats probably why they would not take the battles to the open plains like they did in the gulf war but inside their cities.

I also seen on the news that saddam is trying to switch tactics of being the only one to fight the us to allying with other middle easter nations and trying to attack us

[Strider Fury]

i dont even think its wise to listen to the expert about the casutiles. they are just going to lie about it just as they did in vietnam.

[RoboticSilence]

Originally posted by GravitonSurge
Lots of US Soldiers, too.

Their army is huge compared to what Afghanistan had.

I have no comment.

I agree completely... which I guess would be commenting...

["CRØNîC-KîLLå"]

what is the point of attacking them really? because we feal threatened by them? i dont know about you but the way i run my shit is if someone screws with you then you screw him 50x over... this is exactlly what sedam's plans are if the u.s. attacks... as i said b4, sedam himself could just send some men in to canada, wait their for a year, then go to the border of the u.s. then drop nerve gass in the u.s... this time of age it is not meant for war, because their are more destructive things out their that could destroy the whole world... and with dictators like sedam, who think that they are god, and can influence their own people into commiting suicide for their country, trust me the u.s. is gonna have some problems... sory to say but i personally think that the u.s.(people who run it) are freakin stupid... they allways seem to start shit with other country's and walk into other problems in the world that dont involve them, and another thing, every god damn war allmost the u.s. steps in at the very end and claims victory... meanwhile other countrys have been fighting from the start. This is why nobody would take the u.s.'s side, because the u.s. is starting the shit as usual... and people who start shit, are bound to get fucked up... hmmm sept 11th? even if the u.s. doesnt start most of the shit, by getting themselves into it, their only making it worse for themselves...

[Jamesadin]

why do they hate us anyways?

[Strider Fury]

Originally posted by "CRØNîC-KîLLå"
what is the point of attacking them really? because we feal threatened by them? i dont know about you but the way i run my shit is if someone screws with you then you screw him 50x over... this is exactlly what sedam's plans are if the u.s. attacks... as i said b4, sedam himself could just send some men in to canada, wait their for a year, then go to the border of the u.s. then drop nerve gass in the u.s... this time of age it is not meant for war, because their are more destructive things out their that could destroy the whole world... and with dictators like sedam, who think that they are god, and can influence their own people into commiting suicide for their country, trust me the u.s. is gonna have some problems... sory to say but i personally think that the u.s.(people who run it) are freakin stupid... they allways seem to start shit with other country's and walk into other problems in the world that dont involve them, and another thing, every god damn war allmost the u.s. steps in at the very end and claims victory... meanwhile other countrys have been fighting from the start. This is why nobody would take the u.s.'s side, because the u.s. is starting the shit as usual... and people who start shit, are bound to get fucked up... hmmm sept 11th? even if the u.s. doesnt start most of the shit, by getting themselves into it, their only making it worse for themselves...

i couln't have said it better myself.

[Hell Hound]

if we don't they could launch nukes that would kill millions so i would sacrafice 1000 troops for a million other people i also think we should steal all the oil from those contrys then blow them off the map lol

[ViciousMilitia]

why?

[Grav]

Originally posted by Sum Yung Guy
Dont worry because of the game Americas Army I bet alot of people would join the army for something like this. We got the numbers.

Yeah, just what we need. 300 lb men with shirts on that say "Linux" at least twice.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Originally posted by "CRØNîC-KîLLå"
sory to say but i personally think that the u.s.(people who run it) are freakin stupid...
I disagree with you. Obviously the government doesn't tell us exactly what there doing or what dicisions there making for security reason. But these people are highly trained highly educated people running the country to better the US and the rest of the world. You may see something they do as 'stupid' but what you dont see is whats really going on. You just saw what they wanted you to see. The government has alot of secrecy for good reason and that makes me feel safer. I think alot of you people who have these 'theorys' about us conspiracy, or the government not doing jack shit, should join the military. It will open your eyes to alot of things.... I dunno im just rambling but when someone says our government doesnt know what there doing that really bugs me, when infact there doing the best job in the world.

[Strider Fury]

bush is just a sheer moron who brought his way into harvard. he is not presidential and anyone with a half of brain would be a better president then he is.

[Sum Yung Guy]

I didnt vote for him... anyways one man is not the government.... he is powerful but he isnt ALL powerful.

[Strider Fury]

yeah but the bush adminstration is the big gun and makes all the big calls though. and quite frankly thats something that doesnt suits him at well. but what are you going to do?

[Demosthenes]

Originally posted by viciousmilitia
why don't we just blow everything except afganistan on the map off?


u got that from eminem didn't u...lol

[Hades-Knight]

you know why us wants war?


coz they want to try out their war toys...


+ you bet that msot peopel in the armed forces wisht here was a war, they didnt spent part of their lfie training for nothing...

[Sirpullido]

after all, US wastes a lot of money in weapons, and they cannot assume it's a total waste so they have to show up their military potential so that waste of money is justified

[Hades-Knight]

damn right sirp

[Strider Fury]

i dont know... i've got a gut feeling that bush only wants a war just to raise his publicity ratings. and thats probably why no formal allies of the states are willing to back them up. but you know what, fuck bush. that idiot is never going to get relected anyways, just someone people will look back in history and say 'MORON' and 'IDIOT'. in fact, even vicious would probably even make a better president. o_O

[JohnnyTAE]

I was watching a tv special the other day and it was about ww2 and how all the people in America were arguing about going to war with Germany, well guess what the majority like today didn't want to get into it for whatever reason possible (this was before all of the Jews were being slaughtered) so we did stay out and a couple years later we did get drawn into it (after millions have died). we could have stopped all those peoples suffering and what do you think Hussein is nothing but another crazy ass fanatic like Hitler so I say we are gonna be thrown in it sooner or later it is inevitable, lets just do it before Suddam has the chance to hurt some innocents and make another generation deal with some more horrible tragedys...

[Sirpullido]

So, Jhony TAE? ur gobernment has supported lotsa dictatures in South American countries, and now ur talking US gotta attack Iraq to stop Sodom Hussein? He's in no way like Hitler cuz he's not an Imperialist itself, he's not involved in any kind of genocide nor apartheid, but, Israel powers (supported by US jew Lobby, and US gobernment) are in fact practicing a segregation even worse that the so renowned apartheid, and yes, saddam Hussein is an evil person who deserves nothing but in a war against Iraq it's not him who will suffer it, as he's not gonna be the one who battle, It's Iraq population (military & civilians) who'll get fucked up with that (And u know US like bombing civilian objectives "by mistake"). And as I stated b4 doing that war would be nothing more that another military power showoff, what, of course will be a raise to Bush ratings, cuz belicous souls like you who feel that US is saving the world when the only thing It's doing is taking over it, controling it, and erasing anyone who opposses to em. Know Israel is medium orient hughest army, supported by US? Yah, they are a Gateway 4 the US to control that area...Want more info? pay attemption to Noah Chomsky articles about this and u'll see how media in ur country is manipulated and why u have no allies in this war( as many other military intermissions being critiziced allover the world)

[JohnnyTAE]

you a make a grand argument sirpullido
but you do not see my reasons for wanting to attack the country it is because of what Sadam has done to his very own people...

and I know the US had made a lot of mistakes in the past but like they were mistakes in the past, but none of those matter now...

I do not think the US is saving the world either I just do not agree with Sadams way of governing but
in the end no matter what we say only time can tell what will happen....

[Sirpullido]

Originally posted by Sirpullido
, and yes, saddam Hussein is an evil person who deserves nothing but in a war against Iraq it's not him who will suffer it, as he's not gonna be the one who battle, It's Iraq population (military & civilians) who'll get fucked up with that (And u know US like bombing civilian objectives "by mistake").It's not saddam who'll die....I'm in no way defending Sodom Hussein's gobernment, It's a fact that he's more an assassin than a politic, but that doesn't justify a war where those who'll die are those who are suffering right now...This same thing happened with Milosevic, the war happened against those who already were being oppressed (Wheter media manipulation made them love milosevic & such and killing him would've been creating a martir) but there is no neccesity to go into a war where ur not gonna derrocate sadam,just raise the hate of Iraq's people towards USA. War is not any solution, it just makes the conflict higher.

[JohnnyTAE]

there is always a price to pay for a better way of life but I don't know any more, by trying to end suffering we cause more and the cycle would never end but neither will standing on the sidelines and watching...
I posted some in the 9/11 thread that relates a bit to this

[JohnnyTAE]

"We know Iraq has already begun moving troops around. We know they've begun to hide valuable assets underground," he said.

"They can read the writing on the wall. They know that President Bush and his administration are out to get him and he is trying to protect as much as he can as quickly as he can."

The controversy of war now has a pressing matter...
read more here
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/02/iraq.weapons/index.html

[Strider Fury]

CNN: the america propaganda network. thats one of the reasons why i dont wanna watch CNN anymore, there are just tons of other news channels out there thats doing a better job the covering goble news then CNN.

[JohnnyTAE]

if you guys would get over the thought that America is trying to conquer the world then maybe you would stop thinking that America's media is trying to sabotage it's own people when it is protected by some of the greatest laws...


America is not the Enemy!!!!

[Strider Fury]

johnny, have you ever watch CNN before? its totally bias. its not sabotaging its own ppl but they loves giving news to the ppl that just screams america is the only best thing in the entire world and not a single damn thing else in the world matters. :P

[Sirpullido]

yah I cannot stand public spanish TV just bcos that...It's totally biased...It's just a way of manipulation...the best way to get info is to go a non biased source or comparing 2 biased & oppossed opinions...

[Strider Fury]

abc is a pretty good sorce. but not sure if they have it at good'o communist spain though. :D