The US should obliterate N. Korea.

[Lenny]

As we all know, N. Korea have been testing nuclear warheads recently, and have quite a nice stockpile of missiles. Many believe they pose a threat, but some feel otherwise:

Why is the US so afraid of N. Korea and their Nucleur Bombs when we have Super Lasers that shoot beams as hot as a star. The US should just obliterate N. Korea and take it over.


The house proposes: "The US should just obliterate N. Korea and take it over."

Thoughts? Are you in opposition, or support of the proposition? Why?

[!King_Amazon!]

No.

Terrorism is bad regardless of who is commiting it.

[Chruser]

No.

Terrorism is bad regardless of who is commiting it.


It isn't terrorism if you write the history books.

[Willkillforfood]

This is all on China's back. If they don't shut N. Korea down, then it's not our fault :D.

[!King_Amazon!]

Why is it on China's back? If North Korea uses nuclear force against another country, we're just as responsible for not stopping them as China or anyone else.

[Willkillforfood]

China is directly enabling it by giving them power and helping them launder their money. If China quit sending aid over the regime would be gone in a few months probably ...a huge chunk of all their supplies crosses over from there.

[!King_Amazon!]

Then it sounds to me like if we want things taken care of we'll have to do it ourselves.

I still don't see how any of that puts the responsibility solely on China to disarm North Korea.

[Chruser]

Why is it on China's back? If North Korea uses nuclear force against another country, we're just as responsible for not stopping them as China or anyone else.


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[Willkillforfood]

With China they can nuke people. Without China they can't. There doesn't have to be military action, if China will just shut off the flow of aid it's GG. That's why I think it's solely China's fault if they do nuke someone. They have almost absolute control.

[WetWired]

Terrorists aim for civilians.
Legitimate war aims at military and government.
Dropping the father of all nukes to "obliterate N. Korea and take it over" isn't really aiming, so who's to say what it is?

[Wallow]

Then it sounds to me like if we want things taken care of we'll have to do it ourselves.

I still don't see how any of that puts the responsibility solely on China to disarm North Korea.

This is why so many countries despise the US, because we're always in everyone's business.

Let's just all be like Australia~

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2f8grWE7AOw

[!King_Amazon!]

Terrorists aim for civilians.
Legitimate war aims at military and government.
Dropping the father of all nukes to "obliterate N. Korea and take it over" isn't really aiming, so who's to say what it is?
If I throw a hand full of rocks into a crowd full of people, I'm not aiming at any one person, but I'm still throwing rocks at people.

Also, God frowns upon killing innocents.

[Demosthenes]

No.

Terrorism is bad regardless of who is commiting it.

QFT.

Also, God frowns upon killing innocents.

GG.

See ya!

[WetWired]

True as those things may be, it doesn't make dropping a bomb that will destroy a whole country terrorism. It may be a lot of things, but it isn't terrorism.

[!King_Amazon!]

True as those things may be, it doesn't make dropping a bomb that will destroy a whole country terrorism. It may be a lot of things, but it isn't terrorism.
Is arguing semantics a big hobby of yours? You seem to like doing it, A LOT.

The point is, dropping a bomb on North Korea is WRONG. Call it terrorism or not, it's still wrong, and that's the point I was making. You're accomplishing nothing by arguing with me, other than further making yourself look like a douche bag.

[HandOfHeaven]

Russia should 'bring down the hammer'.

[Goodlookinguy]

As we all know, N. Korea have been testing nuclear warheads recently, and have quite a nice stockpile of missiles. Many believe they pose a threat, but some feel otherwise:

Why is the US so afraid of N. Korea and their Nucleur Bombs when we have Super Lasers that shoot beams as hot as a star. The US should just obliterate N. Korea and take it over.

The house proposes: "The US should just obliterate N. Korea and take it over."

Thoughts? Are you in opposition, or support of the proposition? Why?

You know, it was a joke when I said we should just obliterate them. I was trying to express the fact that everyone is scared of a country that is not a real threat to anyone. The nuclear bombs they have are as powerful as the ones from WW2. We now have nuclear bombs ten-times as powerful. And if we wanted to, at any time, the US or other large country could annihilate them within a blink of an eye. That's what I meant by my statement. Okay, I'm out.

[WetWired]

So because our bombs are bigger, theirs are less of a threat? A bomb that can decimate a city is still a bomb that can level a city, even if we have a bomb that can level a county.

[Goodlookinguy]

So because our bombs are bigger, theirs are less of a threat? A bomb that can decimate a city is still a bomb that can level a city, even if we have a bomb that can level a county.


And the moment they blow up a city, we annihilate the country.

[HandOfHeaven]

You just want a nuclear holocaust now don't yah?

[!King_Amazon!]

And the moment they blow up a city, we annihilate the country.
And how is that even remotely just? You're holding all of the citizens of the country responsible for the actions of a few stupid people in power.

[Senesia]

And the moment they blow up a city, we annihilate the country.

That would be too late, wouldn't it.
Besides, I don't think nuclear warfare is a solution to this.
Just because the US has enough nuclear weapons to destory the world several times over, doesn't mean it is in the country's best interest to annihilate another country.

[Lenny]

Just because the US has enough nuclear weapons to destory the world several times over, doesn't mean it is in the country's best interest to annihilate another country.


Rather, they're used as a threat (I forget the actual word :(), right?

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The question is, what happens when N. Korea, who have all these bombs, and ordered by their crazy leader, to start a war with America because they've been itching for it for so long?

What would the best course of action be - pre-emptive, such as was the excuse with Iraq, or retialitive (look ma, I made a new word!), attacking only when Alaska has been decimated?

Is it right to kill a few thousand to save 320 million?

[Chruser]

Rather, they're used as a threat (I forget the actual word :(), right?


Balance of terror? Unfortunately, one of the few strategies to win an all-out nuclear war is to almost annihilate the entire world, and ensure that whoever launches the next nuke will obliterate humanity with radioactive contamination. There will then be little incentive for the "losing" side to retaliate. Of course, this strategy is not very practical, since it's difficult to determine the exact amount of radioactive contamination required to end the human era. (Obviously, underground shelters are not taken into account.)

Strategy for victory: Always use pre-emptive strikes against nations and unions with inferior technology (such as North Korea) before they use WMDs and/or catch up with us. Focus most of your resources on trade and research. Make the proletariat accept increasingly limited freedom in favor of security. Offer them opportunities to oppose changes (e.g. via voting) that have no actual impact on the progress. Ensure that the majority thinks that they're fighting for the right side through arbitrarily defined incentives (such as money). Out-tech everyone else and become untouchable.

We'll be Gods among men in our virtual prisons!

[WetWired]

I thought it was
Mutually Assured Destruction

[Chruser]

I thought it was
Mutually Assured Destruction


Balance of terror takes other WMDs into account as well, such as ones of the biological warfare class.

[WetWired]

Destruction is destruction regardless of form.

[Senesia]

Rather, they're used as a threat (I forget the actual word :(), right?

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The question is, what happens when N. Korea, who have all these bombs, and ordered by their crazy leader, to start a war with America because they've been itching for it for so long?

What would the best course of action be - pre-emptive, such as was the excuse with Iraq, or retialitive (look ma, I made a new word!), attacking only when Alaska has been decimated?

Is it right to kill a few thousand to save 320 million?

Do you mean deterrence?

One reason for having nukes is to deter adversaries from using that and sort of having a sense of security and defense. Even for North Korea and Iran, one reason why they desire for nuclear power is that they want to be safe from US and Israel.

I still believe in diplomacy concerning this.

As for the question, is it right to kill a few thousands to save 320 millions, I think it is not really the right way to look at it. Also, you question is really, is it right to kill a few thousands innocent because there are some reasons believe that they would cause harm to millions..