Incest. wrong? i don't think so.

[kyeruu]

my main question is: Why is it illegal?

Maybe it's because I am a male with no sisters and hence have nobody to look at me across the table with a wary eye come Thanksgiving dinner, but I don't understand why incest between adults is illegal.

I don't understand why it is outlawed by the state. And I have yet to hear an intelligent argument against it. At Slate, William Saletan asks, if gay sex is private, why isn't incest?

Let's leave adultery and polygamy out of it for the moment. Let's set aside morality and stick to law. And let's grant that being attracted to a gender is more fundamental than being attracted to a family member. If gay sex is too private to be banned, the same can't be said of incest. Can you give me a reason?

The easy answer--that incest causes birth defects--won't cut it. Birth defects could be prevented by extending the sibling marriage by a few generations or by having proof of infertility.

If one falls in some of those categories, why should the law prohibit you from marrying your sibling?

Imagine there is a brother and a sister. They are adults. Neither one is capable of having children. They want to jump each other's bones.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to

A) Get married, and/or

B) Have all the sex they want?

I'm creeped out by a lot of legal behaviors. Being creeped out isn't a solid reason for a law, is it? If that's the case, we'll have to allow that possibly a majority of people are creeped out by the thought of gay butt fucking, so that should be illegal, too.

Most people condemn incest as wrong, but struggle to give a factual proof that it is wrong.

And don't bring me that "the bible said so" excuse.

Anyone who's read the bible knows that god allowed incest, because only 3 humans were alive.

Adam, Eve, and Cain. (after he killed his brother)

God later stopped incest, because of the gene pool degeneration.

But that's besides the point, if the law can now accept homosexuality as something "it's their business, not my fucking problem" Why must the law prevent incestuous relationships?

I see no real reason, and i wish for someone to give me a fact solid enough to tell me i shouldn't practice incest with my cousins.

[Wed-G]

While it's a fundamentally sound question, the subject is very disgusting. My advice, stick to arguing the illegibility concerning marijuana laws. Same situation, different topic.

Seems to me, arguing for something that no one (or apparently not) wants, instead of something that everyone (almost) does want, is kinda retarded.

(BTW, prepare for the onslaught of "OMG, I FIGURED AS MUCH!!11!" or "THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL!!!"

Also, I know what it's like to have a "sexy" cousin, but not once in my mind has a sexual thought popped up about her. It's called decency. It's the basic, starting attitude towards every woman you meet. Until they prove themselves to bitches or whores. Or both.

[-Spector-]

Oh god.. you just keep digging your grave deeper and deeper.

[Wallow]

No comment.

[HandOfHeaven]

Usually siblings want to kill each other (Cain, Abel) rather than mate with each other.

[D3V]

wait, wait, wait... it's illegal?

[JRwakebord]

Please explain how extending to siblings the right to marry would prevent birth defects and lack of generic diversity.

[Jessifer]

You didn't read the C&P closely enough.

The easy answer--that incest causes birth defects--won't cut it. Birth defects could be prevented by extending to sibling marriage or by having proof of infertility.


Personally, I think it's sick.

[Wallow]

I bet Kyeruu's next thread will be about how it's not wrong to have sex with your parents...:x

[HandOfHeaven]

Incest

1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons.
2. the crime of sexual intercourse, cohabitation, or marriage between persons within the degrees of consanguinity or affinity wherein marriage is legally forbidden

[Vault Dweller]

You've done it, Kyeruu. Congratulations.

My jaw dropped so violently as a result of your post that it may be permanently dislocated.

Thank you very much.

[jamer123]

more than your jaw dropped

[-Spector-]

more than your jaw dropped


Are you saying that he hit puberty when he read Kyeruu's post??!

[JRwakebord]

You didn't read the C&P closely enough.




Personally, I think it's sick.

Yes but he said or proof of infertility, implying that marriage would accomplish the same thing. That's what doesn't make sense to me.

[Jessifer]

Valid point...

[Wallow]

Yes but he said or proof of infertility, implying that marriage would accomplish the same thing. That's what doesn't make sense to me.

He wouldn't be able to explain it you.

[D3V]

Here's a better question. Instead of asking why is or isn't it wrong, but why not focus on the 3-4billion other females or males on this Earth, instead on focusing on the 10-15 in your intermediate family.

[KagomJack]

Seconded.

[Wallow]

Here's a better question. Instead of asking why is or isn't it wrong, but why not focus on the 3-4billion other females or males on this Earth, instead on focusing on the 10-15 in your intermediate family.

Yea, but then you could argue that you can get to know your family members more easily, and therefore develop stronger relationships.

(Not that I think this way)

[D3V]

You don't really have to get to know anyone to have sex, seriously.

[HandOfHeaven]

You don't really have to get to know anyone to have sex, seriously.
This is true. Seriously, just go to college.

[Jessifer]

Find a prostitute...

[kyeruu]

I don't mind that people find it disguisting, what I'm ticked off about is the fact that they made it illegal.

If i want to mate with a close relative and i'm a consenting adult, it shouldn't be anyones fucking business whether i do it or not.

And for the whole "Or proof of infertility" i mean has in, if 1 of the 2 partners can't have children, then a generic disease obviously won't occur, thus it shouldn't be illegal then.

Law makes something illegal because it's a threat to humanity and it's future. Genetically diseases babies (from inbreeding) results in a weaker gene pool, which in the end causes the creation of a weaker human that's not fit to work or any of the sort.

So i understand why breeding is illegal, but that can be fixed if you reproduce with a family member, after the gene pool has been strengthen. Like for example, every 2-4 generations, and on the regards towards cousins every 1-2 generations. Why? In the matter of cousins, cousins own less than half your genes.

A cousin is the son of your mothers sisters, so your cousin holds little less than half your genes, and the genes of another human just the same as you, which reduces greatly the chances of generic diseases.

As for inbreeding like your mother, sister, etc. every 2-4 generations the gene pool should be strong enough to prevent a generic disease, i once met a 20 year old woman, who told me her great grand parents, were indeed siblings, yet she nor her mother have any generic disease what so ever.

When people hear incest, they usually think "rape and deformed babies" but like i explained that's not true.

Incest is any sexual/romantical relationship with someone of your own family, it has nothing to do with having children (although enamoured couples tend to have children as a great way to express their love and create their own little family)

For thousands of years homosexuality and incest were treated as taboo, ignored upon each other and threatened with big legal punishments.

But now, homosexuality is being accepted, yet incest is still a taboo? People don't realize that eventually, humans will have to suck it up, because eventually incest will become something common.

Anyone who's read hentai/doujinshi knows that incest is one of the biggest money makers in the manga industry, the simple fact of 2 siblings loving each other while hiding it from other people, because no one thinks it's "natural" even though one has a penis and the other one has a vagina, tends to give you a kinky sensation if not disgusting.

Not to mention people only consider it disgusting by how society treats the subject, because from a neutral and realistic point of view, incest is much beyond natural, than homosexuality, homosexuals can't even reproduce, incestuous couples just have a higher chance of generic diseases.

There's already a growing faction of people who enjoy and practice incest, and the whole doujinshi society also supports the idea. (That's aproximately, 4-6million humans)

That being said, the law is fucked up >.>

They put conditions, on our so called "freedom"

Like censorship, which i will start a debate rant in a couple of weeks here. (need to research)

So in conclusion, there is no real reason to avoid incest nor to make it illegal.

The goverment needs to shut the fuck up, and let me live my 18 year old consenting life in peace.

>.>

[RoboticSilence]

Look, in the modern age, this law is about as close as we can ethically get to eugenics since most people would agree that incest is immoral. Mixing genes that are so closely related can lead to birth defects and is generally not very good for genetic diversity. As for JRwakebord's remark about the guarantee of infertility: I guess an incestuous marriage could always include castration as part of the ritual.

[Goodlookinguy]

This is the most intelligence kyeruu has ever shown. Had I had no moral sense, I would have a less opinionated thought towards this. So I won't comment any more than this.

[D3V]

Eh fuck it, everyone has a cousin they'd hit if drunk enough.

[KagomJack]

Not I. :/

You know, I bet kyeruu's next post for debate/opinion will be pederestry.

[Jessifer]

Correction: Beastiality.

[JRwakebord]

Sado-necro-bestiality.

[KagomJack]

Oooh, that's a good one!

[Jessifer]

The idea makes me ill...

[KagomJack]

You mean you aren't turned on by the idea of flogging a dead pooch while you fingerbang it?

[Wallow]

I think giving her an example made it worse XP

[JRwakebord]

You mean you aren't turned on by the idea of flogging a dead pooch while you fingerbang it?

Now I have the fingerbang song from Southpark stuck in my head.

[KagomJack]

Whooops!

Bang bang bang, finger bang bang!

[Willkillforfood]

I think sodomy should be legal everywhere before incest :P.

[Jessifer]

...wtf? :weird:

[JRwakebord]

I think sodomy should be legal everywhere before incest :P.

In the US it is. Supreme Court ruled that what goes on in the bedroom between consenting adults is private and government has no right to intrude.

[Silverjinx18]

I don't know why this isn't legal...or why anyone would want it to be legal. The easy answer to this question as to why it shouldn't work is "why would someone want to mate in their own gene pool?" There would be no advancements in our species and maybe this hurts the government...but i dunno...maybe they just like fucking your mom and don't want you to move in on their territory... ;)

[-Spector-]

Wait... what?

[Wallow]

What hole are these old members coming out of???

[Thanatos]

Your gaping hole maybe? I keed I keed.

A topic about incest brings everyone out of the closet.

[WetWired]

Why? If you get enough people to agree with you, does it become okay?

[kyeruu]

Why? If you get enough people to agree with you, does it become okay?

story of racism? people find something offensive, if majority rejects it, result is we all have to put it as a "taboo" even though some of us dont' find it THAT bad.

incest seems wrong, to the majority, yet there's no reason that you can't advert easily.

Long story short.

90% of the human population (the morons) hate it, so it becomes illegal.

Plain and simple, fucking unfair :P

[Wallow]

story of racism? people find something offensive, if majority rejects it, result is we all have to put it as a "taboo" even though some of us dont' find it that bad.

incest seems wrong, to the majority, yet there's no reason that you can't advert easily.

Long story short.

90% of the human population (the morons) hate it, so it becomes illegal.

Plain and simple, fucking unfair :P

No offense, but basically from the two examples you gave, I can now assume you want to have sex with your family and you're racist. Congratz on being an individual!

[kyeruu]

No offense, but basically from the two examples you gave, I can now assume you want to have sex with your family and you're racist. Congratz on being an individual!

Haha, bad grammar FTL

what i meant is, that if you commit a crime against someone, let's say you're white and the person is black, its' considered a "hate crime" and you get 2+years added to your sentence, BUT if a black man does it to a white man it's just a "crime"

although this has nothing to do with majority, i'm trying to say is.

If the majority says so it becomes illegal, which is bullshit.


I understand making racism illegal, i don't understand how ever, judging a person on her opinions.

If my opinion is that a black person stole that wallet, it doesn't make me racist, how ever if my opinion is that a black person stole that wallet BECAUSE he is black, then it's racism, how ever these morons have the impression that anything one does to another person of a different race (being negative) is a racist act, and the government just, goes along for the ride.

epic fail, IMO

[Skurai]

Remember people.
2 rules.

Incest is the best.

It's not Racist because it's usually true.

[kyeruu]

i want to hug you now.

[KagomJack]

So then all Puerto Ricans are retarded?

[Asamin]

Wow.... why did I even click this thread......

Incest is illegal


O SHIT!!! Time to start running!!!