Gay marriage

[Wallow]

I forgot to post about this I think a week ago when I saw it on the news but... California legalized gay marriage
That just pisses me off, it seems like another step until all of the US's states will follow the same path as California

[Thanatos]

Why are you opposed to gay marriage?

[quikspy67]

I forgot to post about this I think a week ago when I saw it on the news but... California legalized gay marriage
That just pisses me off, it seems like another step until all of the US's states will follow the same path as California

Dick.

[Wallow]

Yes, I am in fact opposed to gay marriage, what are you for it?

[KagomJack]

Thanks Wallow. As one of the few gay members on this forum, I would like to say it's always a wondrous sight to see people like you who say shit like this. Why are you against it? What would gay marriage even do to you? It hasn't changed the family structure in the places that it's been allowed. It hasn't turned a mass of children gay, it hasn't demoralized those areas, the slippery slope argument of "then we should allow bestiality/pedophilia" has been shot down and not even been acknowledged in those countries/states/etc.

It's not as if someone is going to put a gun to your head, tell you to make out with some random dude and marry him and never be able to be with a woman. What is so incomprehensible to me in this world filled with hate, avarice, genocide, and complete inanity is that people still hold onto these core beliefs that gay people shouldn't be granted the same rights as everyone else in the world. What's your excuse for not wanting it? Really, tell me. Oh, and don't give me the bullshitted "gays can marry people, just of the opposite gender," that excuse is contrite and weak. And the slippery slope retort I mentioned earlier is out. I don't hear much about people in South Africa banging little kids or the monkies around as I don't hear much about Californians and people in Massachusetts doing the same.

So explain yourself.

[Thanatos]

Yes, I am in fact opposed to gay marriage, what are you for it?

I'm not for it, nor am I against it. I think people should have the right to do as they please marriage-wise. Why should we deny two people in love the right to marriage? Because the bible says homosexuality is a sin?

Well, I guess you'd have to believe in the bible then. Oops.

[KagomJack]

I'm still waiting for Wallow to half-assedly defend his position.

[!King_Amazon!]

Yes, I am in fact opposed to gay marriage, what are you for it?
I'm against it myself. I can't believe all of those god damn homos want to get gay with each other in the privacy of their own homes. What if my children hear that people are getting gay? What will happen to the family structure?!?!

GUYS IM GETTING SCARED







I don't particularly care if homosexuals are allowed to marry or not. I don't think marriage is really the issue to me. The issue is that homosexuals cannot get the same rights that heterosexuals can, from marriage. I've heard horror stories of homosexuals having one partner end up nearly dying, be in the hospital unconsious, and the hospital not let their partner in because they're not "family."

There are a lot of legal benefits of marriage that homosexuals are denied, and it causes a lot of problems for them. Sure, you can argue that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry because it's a holy union between two people of the opposite sex and homosexuality is a sin and blah blah whatever the fuck else that homo at your church tells you, but there's no way you can make a valid argument that homosexuals should be DENIED the same rights that heterosexuals get from marriage.

[hotdog]

I'm against it myself. I can't believe all of those god damn homos want to get gay with each other in the privacy of their own homes. What if my children hear that people are getting gay? What will happen to the family structure?!?!

GUYS IM GETTING SCARED







I don't particularly care if homosexuals are allowed to marry or not. I don't think marriage is really the issue to me. The issue is that homosexuals cannot get the same rights that heterosexuals can, from marriage. I've heard horror stories of homosexuals having one partner end up nearly dying, be in the hospital unconsious, and the hospital not let their partner in because they're not "family."

There are a lot of legal benefits of marriage that homosexuals are denied, and it causes a lot of problems for them. Sure, you can argue that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry because it's a holy union between two people of the opposite sex and homosexuality is a sin and blah blah whatever the fuck else that homo at your church tells you, but there's no way you can make a valid argument that homosexuals should be DENIED the same rights that heterosexuals get from marriage.

Actually they found out that marriage crap was added in by a group of nobles who bribed the church to turn bonding into some holy piece of shit. Why would someone do that? Turns out some of the bastards had it turned into a church affair because they were afraid of potential brides marrying women and not carrying on their royal line as even back then they knew two women could not make a baby.

@ Wallow. Cling to your faith like a little baby suckling his mothers teat. Your political tactics are forfeit to me!

[KagomJack]

Still waiting for that rebuttal.

[Vault Dweller]

Homosexuals should have the right to be as miserable as any other married couple out there.

For me, there shall be no marriage of any sort.

Unless, of course, I find that one beautiful, intelligent woman who is not opposed to a Ninja/Pirate/Zombie wedding theme.

[Wallow]

This is hilarious, I'm sorry, but everyone is getting worked up over nothing. I started this thread really because this forum hasn't had some decent discussion in a while. This was an experiment really, to see what people would say when I stated that gay marriage is bad. I thought that there would be two sides, opposed to gay marriage and for it. But so far everyone has either been neutral or for it. Now for my opinion explained, I'm not against gays or anything like that, I just don't think that they should be married. I think that civil unions should be kept intact, and marriage should be kept between a female and a male (not crossdressers). No, I'm not some sort of religious freak as all of you have depicted me, I just think gay marriage is wrong (my opinion again).

[HandOfHeaven]

Why ?

[quikspy67]

This was an experiment really, to see what people would say when I stated that gay marriage is bad.

I just think gay marriage is wrong

Expermiment? At the end you you say you actully think it's wrong, why do you think it's wrong?

Why are you against it? What would gay marriage even do to you?

It's not as if someone is going to put a gun to your head, tell you to make out with some random dude and marry him and never be able to be with a woman.

Seriously why?

[Wallow]

Dude, you can't change my opinion. I just don't like gay marriage, that's all. As I've said before, I'm not against gays in any way.

[hotdog]

The question is not, "What can we do to change your opinion?" it's, "WHY?". Huge difference dude. Don't know how you can believe something without a reason. That is essentially what you are saying. You have no reason to not want it but you still don't. People want to know why. Answer the question or they will just think you are a religious zealot since only a religious freak would have belief without reason.

Belief without reason is clearly a sign of either brainwashing or brainwashing. Pick one religious nutjob.

[quikspy67]

No shit where do you get "Dude, you can't change my opinion." from "why"?

[KagomJack]

Can you just answer a simple question? WHY is it wrong? WHY are you really against it? What is your basis in thinking it's wrong?

No one's trying to change your opinion.

[Wallow]

Ok, my parents raised me that way, happy?

[quikspy67]

So they just told you to get angered when the thought of gay marriage enters your mind?

[KagomJack]

...are you serious? Are you fucking kidding me? "Because my parents raised me that way" is one of the most ASININE reasons I have ever heard for being against gay marriage. What the hell, man? Think for your fucking self. I went through the stage of doing shit because that's how my parents raised me, but you need to think about what you're saying.

Your idea of civil unions for everyone, but marriage between man and woman is echoing the separate, but equal idealologies that were VERY popular pre-Civil Rights movement era. No, you're not clamoring for the gays to have their own drinking fountain and have them sit in the back of the bus, but you are trying to say that they don't deserve to get the full shabang that straight people are entitled to.

I've said all I have to say.

[HandOfHeaven]

Well, sometimes we were all naive like that. I was raised that way, but I'm not my parents. So I have different opinions.

[Wallow]

See, every reason I would give would just be critiziced and flamed, so what was the point of giving an excuse? I don't like gay marriage. KJ, you're exaggerating it. Giving the civil rights era was a bad example, it's just marriage. Why can't they just keep a civil union?

[KagomJack]

How am I exaggerating? I used the mindset of "separate, but equal" from pre-Civil Rights movement era to show your thinking because that IS what you are doing. Civil unions: Okay! Marriage: aw hell nah niqqa!

Why can't they just keep a civil union? Because that's not fair. I believe marriage should be allowed for both genders. I'm not saying we need to force religious institutions to marry two people of the same sex. If a religious institution doesn't want to, then they don't have to. But as far as the rest goes, I think it's only fair to do both.

Also, I haven't flamed you. I got nippy, but I didn't flame you.

[quikspy67]

It's a very bad excuse.

[Wallow]

Well you still were going to criticize whatever I said.

[KagomJack]

Criticism is a daily factor of life. You take it with stride, examine the other person's point of view, then come to a decision after examining both sides of the coin. I've examined both sides before. Don't take it so personally.

[quikspy67]

Just give me an opinion worth respecting thats all I'm looking for.

[Wallow]

I'm not taking it personally, I just Identified the inevitable. You were all pestering me to identify an excuse when you knew that you would criticize whatever I said with your beliefs in a negative way

[KagomJack]

I don't always criticize an opposing viewpoint. If it had been a religious reason, I'd have been lax and less critical. I can understand that point and I do have respect for it. But when it's simply "I just don't like homosexual marriage," that begs a bit of criticism.

[hotdog]

Ok, my parents raised me that way, happy?

Ok, I'm against donuts because I don't have a TV set, happy?

You might as well have said that instead. Seriously man just answer the question why and answer it honestly. You are starting to act like Kyeruu except Kyeruu had and still has the balls to take it like a boy scout.

You shouldn't care so much about other peoples views. When you care too much you become the type of person who watches reality shows. I don't give a damn about what people think or say about health issues I stand by my statement that Neil Diamond and the CDC are a bunch of jackasses.

[Jessifer]

From Gay Rights to Nature vs. Nurture. Man, what a thread.

Honestly, I can see his side with the whole "Because my parents raised me that way" arguement. If you're told something since you were young, it's rather hard to think of it as anything but true. Children grow up thinking that their parents are always right. Of course, some people have the sense to actually think for themselves and realize that they aren't always right, and decide to form their own opinions.

[hotdog]

I personally thought my parents were dumbasses growing up and I still think my mother is stupid today. Along with my sisters that actually believe half the crap that comes out of her mouth.

[!King_Amazon!]

Wallow is a fucking dumbass. Yes this is a flame. I don't give a shit. LOL.

[hotdog]

Wallow is a fucking dumbass. Yes this is a flame. I don't give a shit. LOL.

I don't believe that because thats the way my parents raised me. :haha:

[KagomJack]

Hold up, y'all. Now, I may disagree with his beliefs and even the reason he is against gay marriage, but there really is no reason to flame him, at least not in this thread.

[quikspy67]

I'm sorry KJ it was so hard to resist.

[Draco2003]

I am opposed to gay marriages! Hell, I am opposed to straight marriages! Although, in recent times, marriage has become less about a bonding of two lives to be forever intertwined in the holy-ness of whatever god you happen to worship; and more about, "Hey, let's get married, we have a tax break once we hit the 6 month mark, and we even have other bonuses!"

Just so we're clear here, I am opposed to ALL marriage, no matter if it was if it was a KKK leader to Beyonce, or Brad Pitt to Tommy Lee!

I guess it would be nice to know that you have that option available, though...

I guess an easier way to look at it is like this: If you go to a store to buy an XBOX 360, but you already own a Playstation 3, you wouldn't be able to. You, as a person who purchased the PS3, are seen as 1.) less than a human by the cashier, who happens to own a 360; and 2.) You are expected to not want a 360, because of your immense hatred of the typical Sony fanboy for Microsoft.

I know you guys may think, "WTF? Were talking marriage and he's talking videogames.... what a *insert harsh uncalled for name here*!", but in my head, it all makes sense! And that's all that matters!

[Wed-G]

I'm not determined enough to read all of this. But, (edit)while(endedit) I will say that denying a homosexual couple rights is against what's right, I think we evolved/were created as male and female for a reason.

My reasoning?

Penis into vagina.
Shit out of ass.

Given that shit is waste, broken down bile and avoided by most reasonable people, I don't understand how people can consider that to be right. It seems to go against our species.

That's really all I'm going to say, so call me ignorant or whatever, I just don't plan on responding.

[KagomJack]

So...to deny gay people the righ to marry is against what's right, yet...I have no idea what I'm trying to get at :'C

[Willkillforfood]

There are homosexual animals, Wed-G. What do you think about that? Also, out of all the people, I am surprised that you're just talking about penises and vagina. Is intercourse your utmost concern with your relationship with your girlfriend (it's surprising if so, she seems to be the really religious type)? If so you really should reevaluate things. Yes, it's a fun and important part of a relationship, but if that's the best part of your relationship then you really should get a little deeper. If it isn't, and feelings and having a good time with your significant other are, then you should be able to empathize that there's something MORE than sex that's even MORE important, so if you're gay you might be more concerned with being happy with your significant other than getting vagina :).

Marriages should be called civil unions by the government and be given the same benefits whether homosexual or heterosexual. Anything else is utter discrimination and should be illegal. Homosexuality, in reality, is natural. It is found in the animal world and although it is somewhat rare, it is a part of the natural order of things. Yes, same-sex couples cannot reproduce, but us humans do not always form couples to reproduce. We form couples because of what we feel for another individual. And because we're horny fuckers. Anyone who wishes to deny those rights to a homosexual should, indeed, be castrated/have cement packed in their respective areas and be cast into the ocean.

Wallow, when you grow up a little and expand your mind you'll learn that your parents are a lot of times WRONG. They're older, more closed-minded, and although they have a lot of wisdom, they're wrong as fuck on some ideas and will not admit otherwise. It's because they're old and feel like because they've done the arduous deed of LIVING, they deserve more respect and that their words carry more value. In fact, their words don't a lot of times, and in areas where they have not developed expertise they're not any more reliable than a 15-year-old girl's gossip. Sure, with families, normal tasks of day-to-day life, and their jobs, they are very reliable. However, with respecting another culture or sexuality, a lot of "old school" people are ignorant and grew up in less understanding times. Don't perpetuate their hatred. You seemed mature enough to have learned this lesson, but apparently not. Or perhaps you're just not a very good debater and just wanted a dumb excuse for your unfounded belief.

[!King_Amazon!]

Wallow and Wed-G are both asshats. LOL.

[Jessifer]

Hell, at the very least just think of it as population control.

[!King_Amazon!]

Genocide is population control. Clearly you approve of the genocide of homosexuals.

[Willkillforfood]

Agreed. Females are evil.

[Jessifer]

Seconded.

[Willkillforfood]

And vaginas are pits of death.

[Jessifer]

And oddly enough, pits of life as well!

[!King_Amazon!]

And oddly enough, pits of life as well!
You just blew my mind.

[Jessifer]

That's what I'm here for. Glad I could be of service.

[Willkillforfood]

What else do you blow? Kyeruu makes good money and needs a good time.

[Wed-G]

Wallow and Wed-G are both asshats. LOL.

Fuck you.

And secondly

I will say that denying a homosexual couple rights is against what's right

but, followed up to say

I think we evolved/were created as male and female for a reason

That reason is procreation. You should have every right to marry the person you love, male or female. All I was saying was homosexuality seems to go against the flow of of the evolutionary process. Our basic instinct is to survive and without that transfer of genes to a future generation, we cannot guarantee the continuation of our species.

Furthermore, I don't put much emphasis on sex, relationship wise. I just had a rather crude way of stating my above argument.

I think gay marriage should be allowed by law, but in my heart I don't think it's right so I'm not going to vote for or against it.

[!King_Amazon!]

I can respect your opinion a bit more, then. I think your first post was stated wrong or something. You're saying that your personal opinion is that it's wrong, so you wouldn't vote for or against it, which is the winning point for me.

I don't particularly have any problem with someone's opinion, but when they force their opinion on others, it becomes a problem. You think gay marriage is wrong, but you wouldn't vote for or against it, which makes that alright to me. Gay marriage has no effect on you, so saying that you'd vote against it because you think it's wrong would be equally wrong or moreso.

[Willkillforfood]

Yea Wed-G, I guess I didn't understand you the first time. That's cool.

[Wallow]

Fuck you.

And secondly



but, followed up to say



That reason is procreation. You should have every right to marry the person you love, male or female. All I was saying was homosexuality seems to go against the flow of of the evolutionary process. Our basic instinct is to survive and without that transfer of genes to a future generation, we cannot guarantee the continuation of our species.

Furthermore, I don't put much emphasis on sex, relationship wise. I just had a rather crude way of stating my above argument.

I think gay marriage should be allowed by law, but in my heart I don't think it's right so I'm not going to vote for or against it.


That~
Nice sermon WKFF a couple of posts above
BTW, I made up that excuse about my parents because so many of you were pestering me for an answer. The truth is I've always believe that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. That's the last think I'll say

[Willkillforfood]

I don't think it should be called marriage do to religious pretenses, but it should have the same legal rights.

[KagomJack]

Why are you dancing around? Why do you think it shouldn't be allowed. Because you just don't? I told you, man, I won't hassle your beliefs if you have a solid reason, but if it's one of those "just because" responses, then you deserve to be heckled a little.

[quikspy67]

Still a terrible reason. (Wed-G is not an asshat)

[Wallow]

Why are you dancing around? Why do you think it shouldn't be allowed. Because you just don't? I told you, man, I won't hassle your beliefs if you have a solid reason, but if it's one of those "just because" responses, then you deserve to be heckled a little.


ugh, I don't know what to tell you! In my eyes, it's wrong. I have the solid belief that marriage has been and always will be for the union of a man and a woman. I don't know how else to support it. I think that way. I think if we were talking about gays in general and about illegalizing civil unions, you would require more of a reason, but it's just marriage.

[quikspy67]

But the thought of it angers you.

[!King_Amazon!]

ugh, I don't know what to tell you! In my eyes, it's wrong. I have the solid belief that marriage has been and always will be for the union of a man and a woman. I don't know how else to support it. I think that way. I think if we were talking about gays in general and about illegalizing civil unions, you would require more of a reason, but it's just marriage.
Having no hard reasoning for your opinions other than "this is how I feel but I don't know why" makes you very emotionally and intellectually immature. If you can't even figure out why you feel one way or another, perhaps you need to question yourself.

[KagomJack]

Put it better than I could've.

[Willkillforfood]

It makes him angry because then he thinks about looking at all the other boys' butts at soccer camp and he begins to question whether or not he is gay.

[Jessifer]

Wallow needs to do some deep mental and spiritual searching.

Where's Mantra?

[hotdog]

Wallow needs to do some deep mental and spiritual searching.

Where's Mantra?

1. He needs a brain first.

2. I think he died after looking at the computer screen the morning after his kegger.

[KagomJack]

Wallow has a brain. This is just an issue where he needs to examine his position, why he feels the way he does, and actually maybe have a reason.

However, it's safe to assume that we forget that sometimes people do things or feel a certain way for no reason. We give them hell because, to use in order to make sense, we have to have a purpose or a reason for everything.

[hotdog]

Wallow has a brain. This is just an issue where he needs to examine his position, why he feels the way he does, and actually maybe have a reason.

However, it's safe to assume that we forget that sometimes people do things or feel a certain way for no reason. We give them hell because, to use in order to make sense, we have to have a purpose or a reason for everything.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you don't have a reason for doing something you won't do it. Something I picked up in biology and pyschology. However it is possible to be that way if you are brainwashed. In which case "Thats the way my parents raised me." is quite an accurate statement.

[Wallow]

You could just let this all go and stop being a douchebag
Get over it

[Jessifer]

You started it, babe.

[HandOfHeaven]

OMG! Wallow, get on that shit. She called you babe!

[Jessifer]

No one seems to notice that I tend to do that to everyone.

Also, bigotry isn't a turn on.

[quikspy67]

You could just let this all go and stop being a douchebag
Get over it

You gotta stop crying about this so it will end.

[KagomJack]

Not always. Some people may not have a motive or a reason for doing what they do or thinking the way they do. Yeah, you could go and say it might be right to say it's how they were nurtured, but it's hard to point it out at times.

And Wallow, they won't drop it because you have no grounding in your argument.

[Willkillforfood]

No one seems to notice that I tend to do that to everyone.

Also, bigotry isn't a turn on.

I wouldn't be proud of doing it with everyone.

[quikspy67]

You would a little bit.

[Wallow]

There's no reason! I think like that, I don't like gay marriage. I've said it at least ten times. Godamnit!!!!!!

[KagomJack]

But why don't you like it, per my curiosity?

[quikspy67]

My post was actully to WKFF, Kangom I wouldn't even bother anymore he just dosen't like the gays.

[KagomJack]

I want to know why. I'm sure there is more to it than just "I don't like gay marriage."

[quikspy67]

He is too used to his parents teachings or retarded to know why.

[KagomJack]

Then don't post what you posted, dude. No need to call him brainwashed and whatnot in here.

[Thanatos]

But why don't you like it, per my curiosity?

because male buttsex is nasty

and i dont want any male buttsex in my general vicinity

[Jessifer]

Because it's contagious, right?

[Thanatos]

i think you may have been afflicted with male butt sex. i'm sorry.

[quikspy67]

I hope i didn't ctach it.

[hotdog]

I hope i didn't ctach it.

We all know Wallow did.

[Willkillforfood]

I wear a surgeon's mask when I'm around homosexuals.

[Wallow]

Damnit that's private.

[Slim]

I wear a surgeon's mask when I'm around homosexuals.

I yell rape if I think someone is one, you can never been too cautious, god knows those dirty homos are just waiting to fuck everyone they can to spread their virus around.

Oh, you didn't know? "Homosexuality" as that science bullshit calls it is actually a virus! It's fucking contagious, and it's what will bring about the end of days! Mark my words those flaming queers will be the death of us all!


...On a more serious note, Wallow...what the hell, man? You know, I can understand having negative feelings about it. Hell, my ex-girlfriend was stoically against it for reasons I'll never really be able to understand, similar to yours. "Just because" is not an excuse for thinking something is wrong. It's a cop-out.

Why did Hitler decide Genocide would be a good idea? Just because the Jews were a convenient scapegoat.

When you look through history you'll find alot of "Just because" mentality that has brought about some true atrocities. The salem witch trials, for example. Not understanding something is fine, hell, we'll likely never be able to understand everything in this universe, but that is no cause to deny people their rights.

With so many people in the world it's inevitable that there will be differing lifestyles, opinions, and whatnot. This is why the U.S. (despite it's obvious shortcomings) has the moniker of "Land of the Free" With the separation of church and state (or supposed separation, as it is), all should be free to live their lives as they see fit without fear of persecution by religious zealots.

So I say let them get married. Women and minorities can vote, marry, and carry on their lives nowadays just as the white man did way back when, and it's high time gays get the right to live their lives as the rest of us do. Just my two cents.

[Skurai]

I'm still waiting for Wallow to half-assedly defend his position.

Wallow's a Guy?