Name me Something

[D3V]

This isn't necessairily a debate, more-so of a question.

I feel that there is a BAD side to everything, there honestly isn't anything I can collect off the top of my head that doesn't have a bad side.

Example:


Religion = Good for the followers, then you have people that take it to the extremes (bible thumpers and JIHADists). As well as Devil worshipers... etc.

Fast Food = Great for short on time, horrible for your diet.


Etc etc, Just to name off random things, but when it comes down to it, is there anything on the face of this earth that is Good without a Bad side to it? If so I can't honestly think of it.

[Thanatos]

Puppies.

[D3V]

Puppies grow up.

Puppies shit all over the place, and tear shit up, they smell weird, don't listen, are hard to train and are usually expensive as shit.

[!King_Amazon!]

There is absolutely nothing that I know of that is purely one thing.

The reason is, for something to be "Good" there has to be "Bad" to it as well, otherwise you would have no definition of what the "Good" is.

For example, if there were no "Bad" Christians, how would you be able to explain what a "Good" Christian is?

You should do some reading on Lao-Tsu. He was an ancient philosopher that pretty much revolved around this idea. I believe he was the first to come up with the concept of "Yin and Yang."

[D3V]

Ah I suppose, I have never heard of him.

I'm still trying to think of something that could be considered good and not bad, maybe what I should do is reverse my thinking on things.

[!King_Amazon!]

Well pretty much he says that you can't describe one thing without having something to compare it to. Thus, you can't have something that is solely "Good" since you don't know what "Good" is until you know also what "Bad" is.

[HandOfHeaven]

What are you supposed to be? Some sort of stupid word genie?

[Grav]

I'll name you "dumbass."

"Good" and "bad" are purely human constructs, so we as a collective group decide what is good and what is bad. Thus there is nothing inherently good or bad. We consider it bad for a human to kill other humans, but it's not bad for a lion to kill other lions.

[D3V]

The only thing I could really maybe make pheasable to being good and not bad would be Evolution, because evolution always makes changes for the better, but I'm not sure even if general terms should count.

[Grav]

I disagree. Since genetic defects fall under evolution, that means genetic diseases such as mental retardation and autism would have to be considered good.

[HandOfHeaven]

What if insects evolve so far that they mutate and become as large as humans and lay eggs in our stomachs? What then, mr Darwin?

[!King_Amazon!]

"Want to discuss a hot topic, or rant about something? This is the place. Spamming is not tolerated here."

Please try to keep in mind that there's supposed to be serious discussion in here.

[D3V]

I disagree. Since genetic defects fall under evolution, that means genetic diseases such as mental retardation and autism would have to be considered good.

Damn I hadn't realized that. Good point though. What about Oxygen? You really can't find anything bad about that, we need it to breathe it can't ever really be in abundance.

[Grav]

Causes fires.

[Thanatos]

There are other catalysts to starting fires, not just oxygen.

[Grav]

You're completely missing the point.

[Thanatos]

No I'm not. Oxygen itself doesn't cause fires. Therefore, there's nothing really "bad" about oxygen.

[Grav]

Oxygen does not spark fires by itself, but it does "cause" fires because it is an oxidizer in combustion. Yes, fires can be created with other substances, but oxygen-based combustion is by far the most prevalent and burns down our buildings and homes.

Oxygen can also be poisonous.

[!King_Amazon!]

Oxygen doesn't positively effect everything it interacts with. Therefore, it isn't only good. Oxygen can be very bad for a few things in my line of work. It also oxidizes things which is sometimes not good.

[Kaneda]

Recieving oral.

[Thanatos]

We have a winner.

[Grav]

Recieving oral.

This is against certain religious beliefs.

The girl may have the herp.

[Kaneda]

Religions are fictional.
That would be something bad about herpes, or the girl.

[HandOfHeaven]

Wow, K_A, you never cease to amaze me. Seriously, you never do.

[Grav]

Religions are fictional.
That would be something bad about herpes, or the girl.

Regardless of your views on religion, they do establish certain ethical rules. If a religion says oral sex is bad, then it's bad. This ties in to my original point that good and bad are human creations.

[Kaneda]

This ties in to my original point that good and bad are human creations. Hadn't read that. Very true.

[klo]

And there is "bad oral"....wal mart much?

[!King_Amazon!]

And there is "bad oral"....wal mart much?
I'm sure he probably got a lot of oral at wal-mart, but I bet it wasn't bad oral.

I jest.

Oral might be good to one person but bad to another. Oral can also spread some diseases under the right circumstances. Yes, the diseases themselves are bad, but oral can transmit them, thus making it bad as well(from that perspective.)

[D3V]

What about Death?

It's beyond us what happens after death, so maybe there isn't anything bad about it?

[Thanatos]

Screw that, you guys are taking all the fun away from oral sex. I shall not stand for this.

Oral for president.

[D3V]

Screw that, you guys are taking all the fun away from oral sex. I shall not stand for this.

Oral for president.

Yeah uh.. about that. You must've missed the memo, but Bill Clinton has already served his 8 year term.. uhh..yah...

[!King_Amazon!]

"Life" and "Death" are the opposites. If you think life is good, then death would be bad to you. If you think life sucks, death would be good to you.

Either way, you can't have one without the other. You have to live before you can die. They require each other to even exist, so to some people you could say life requires you to die, and death requires you to live. Unless you think both life and death are great, either one can be bad. I don't think you can really think BOTH are great, since, like I said, they are opposites.

[Lenny]

Hey, death can't be that bad. It's not as if anyone's come back to complain, have they?

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One could name something that's bad with no good points. Anyone want to finish the word for me? Begins with "k".

[Thanatos]

Killing someone?

[!King_Amazon!]

Doubtful. That's really a matter of perspective. One person might think killing someone is good(such as hitler, or someone who wants to kill hitler.)

[Xenn]

"good" , by definition, is not bad.

Anything else can be.

[!King_Amazon!]

To something or someone that is "bad," "good" is not good. So no, good is not universally good.

[Demosthenes]

This isn't necessairily a debate, more-so of a question.

I feel that there is a BAD side to everything, there honestly isn't anything I can collect off the top of my head that doesn't have a bad side.

Example:


Religion = Good for the followers, then you have people that take it to the extremes (bible thumpers and JIHADists). As well as Devil worshipers... etc.

Fast Food = Great for short on time, horrible for your diet.


Etc etc, Just to name off random things, but when it comes down to it, is there anything on the face of this earth that is Good without a Bad side to it? If so I can't honestly think of it.

D3V, I believe you're a Christian, correct? Not that I believe it, but from your perspective I believe God would be something purely good.

[D3V]

Bing-o, I knew somebody would get it eventually. And yes I am a Christian, but not a bible thumper.

[!King_Amazon!]

Once again that's just a matter of perspective. Who is to say God is purely good? Who is to say he knows what is best for us? He's done some pretty wicked things before.

Perspective plays a lot in the "good VS evil" battle. To the evil, the good is evil. To Satan worshippers, God is not good.

[D3V]

Well that's probably the closest argument to anything that has a good side, without a bad... And from what I understand Satan worshippers don't even really believe in God, or view him as bad, they just bow down to the dark one.

[!King_Amazon!]

How can you believe in Satan but not God? That's just illogical.

[KagomJack]

You'd be surprised. I've met people who believe in Satan, but not God.

[Kaneda]

Which just exemplifies they're stupidity in the first place.

[Demosthenes]

Which just exemplifies they're stupidity in the first place.

Well, no, not anymore than believing in God and Satan, or God alone.

In fact, I think there is more of a reason to believe in Satan than God if we were to overlook the fact that neither have any real evidence pointing towards their existence.

[Kaneda]

Believing in God and Satan is... stupid. I can't really say ignorant. Just believing in one or the other I would say is a bit more stupid.
IN MY OPINION...
*cough*
klo
*cough*

[klo]

F u.

not a bs post

[Vollstrecker]

How can you believe in Satan but not God? That's just illogical.

Some beliefs may include the death or eventual nonexistence of God. /shrug

The only way you can conceive of a 'good' without a 'bad' side is if it were an artificial creation designed to be such (mental creation, not material).