Presidential Vote '08

[D3V]

Who's going to get your vote?..


There's so many Numb-skulls to choose from, yet again!

I'd just like to get a feel of who everyone is going to be swinging for in the next prez election still like 20 months away......

edit: Well Damnit I can't edit IN a vote, and I can't delete this one either, so could a Mod/Admin/whatever toss up a poll for me and throw in these canidates....


Dem's
-Hilary Clinton
-Barack Obama
-John Edwards
-Bill Richardson
-Joe Biden

Repub's
-Rudy Giuliani
-John McCain
-Jim Gilmore
-Mike Huckabee
-Mitt Romney


-Thanks :)





Edit:

Upcoming Debates

'07
• July 23: South Carolina
• September 17: Florida
• November 15: Nevada
• December 17: Boston


'08 CNN Hosted..
• January 24: South Carolina
• January 30: California
• January 31: California

[Dar_Win]

If it's between all of these idiots? No one. I hate just about everyone of them.

Btw, you should've made a poll for this.

[D3V]

If it's between all of these idiots? No one. I hate just about everyone of them.

Btw, you should've made a poll for this.

Wow this post did stil show up, I posted it last night when I guess Zelaron's server reset, hold on let me fix it up.

[Lenny]

Poll added.

[Thanatos]

If I had that selection to choose from, Obama gets my vote.

[D3V]

Definately, most of the Republicans that are trying to represent are making themselves look like asses in the debates etc, because they can't back their own kind president, but then again they never offer a solution, where there are a few select Dems that actually step up.

For McCain, he just needs to give it up, his ass only made like 7 mil for the contributions in this past quarter, while Obama set a new record for 31mil, and Hilary rounded up 27mil with the help of her husband, either way money doesn't always equal votes.

I don't necessairily like John Edwards either, I sat down and watched a debate focused around Religion before, and he never really seemed to have a clear head on what he was talking about, and with Hilary it seemed to planned out, all in all Obama got most of my attention and as usual, made me turn against the other two big cats he's running against...

I just hope, I PRAY, we don't end up with another president like Bush that doesn't listen to the people, is independently profiting off our his own citizens and it's hapily about to get out of office unscaved and uncharged because he's been covering his tracks since day one, in all honesty we need to just impeach the stupid arrogant redneck fucker that hasn't taken responsibilty for any of his actions since 9/11, which is why I'm so excited to be seeing him go, once the election is here...

[Dar_Win]

How is he independently profiting off his of us?

What has he done as president that he needs to cover up?

Impeach him for what?

Texas isn't a "redneck" state.

What hasn't he taken responsibility for?

[Demosthenes]

Impeach him for what?

- Pre-emptive war
- War Crimes
- Warantless NSA surveillance
- Violation of the War Powers Clause
- distortion of intelligence reports to gain support for war
- extradition for torture
- maltreatment of detainees

just to name a few

Texas isn't a "redneck" state.

LIES!

For McCain, he just needs to give it up

Actually, if I could vote McCain may have a shot at getting mine. From what I know right now, he would be my #2 or 3.

[D3V]

Basically MJ summed it up, there are many, MANY other speculations against him, and only a few that've actually been brought up by congress, etc.

My only problem with McCain, is that he tries to make everyone happy, too much, that and he brings up the fact he was a detainee about 5-6 times during EVERY SPEECH. We get it old man.

[Dar_Win]

Warantless NSA surveillance
If you aren't doing anything wrong, who cares? I'm one of those people anal about my rights never being violated no matter what, and I don't care. It's helping to protect me.

distortion of intelligence reports to gain support for war
That was the intelligence they had at the time.

- extradition for torture
- maltreatment of detainees
Look what they're doing to our soldiers. Torturing them, and then beheading them. I think our people who are captured are treated far worse then theirs.

LIES
Truth. I've been to a lot of places there.

[Dar_Win]

For McCain, he just needs to give it up

If I decide to vote, I would vote for second to Rudy.

[D3V]

If you aren't doing anything wrong, who cares? I'm one of those people anal about my rights never being violated no matter what, and I don't care. It's helping to protect me.




Look what they're doing to our soldiers. Torturing them, and then beheading them. I think our people who are captured are treated far worse then theirs.


Truth. I've been to a lot of places there.

Look Darwin, you're arguing the wrong points. Just because you aren't doing anything, doesn't give the right for the government to spy on you unknowingly, that's a VIOLATION of our constitution. It isn't helping keep us more safe, when they are using it for their own benefits. I mean seriously,.. what good has it brought other than what is going on in the white house?... Hmm?

You can't turn the argument around, and say well, oh well, THEY DID IT FIRST! It doesn't make it right. Just because somebody comes up to you, and robs you dry, does that give you the right to mug an old lady on your way home? No.

And Texas, is full of steers and queers, case closed, just look at Bob! But that isn't even the case here, I was more-so refferring to bush as being a redneck, and if you've ever, EVER listened to him talk, and told me that he wasn't a redneck, you're spewing shit directly out of your own mouth.

Just go read up a bit on oil profiting in the middleast, Cheney's good 'ole Haliburton is up in the BILLIONS in profit alone this year already, the same with Bush's families independent companies they hold stock share with the Saudi Arabians.. who also, attacked us during 9/11, But that's a whole different debate.

The president's approval rating and war rating are both under 30% now, if you want to be on the losing side, go ahead and stay there.

[Demosthenes]

Regardless of whether you think those are morally right or wrong, they are still ample grounds for impeachment.

Truth. I've been to a lot of places there.

I live there. I win.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure where all you've visited but from what I've seen this is a fairly backwards redneck state.

[slaynish]

Yeah, lol.

I was going to post something about how you live there. That was funny :P

And, I would vote for Obama. (Voted before I knew everyone else would vote for him)

I thought bush had some kind of ties with the oil companies, and was making cash off the gas prices rising..?

[Dar_Win]

Just because somebody comes up to you, and robs you dry, does that give you the right to mug an old lady on your way home? No.
That's completely different. It's middle easterners that are attacking us, and it's middle easterners that are in these jails. It's not like we're holding Indians in these jails.

And if you're saying we're in Iraq for oil, why am I shelling out at least $3.00 a gallon at the pump?

[Demosthenes]

I have no problem with holding P.O.W.'s in jail as long as it's done humanely. Neither does the constitution, come to think of it.

[Vollstrecker]

I've only read on Obama so far, however his positions seem to be very, very sensible.

Also, impeaching Bush won't do a whole lot of good as it would just put Cheney in office. While he may be less of an idiot, I don't imagine the status quo would significantly change.

[Demosthenes]

I don't mean to advocate actually impeaching Bush, I just meant they have more than enough to do so if they wanted.

[khwiii]

That's completely different. It's middle easterners that are attacking us, and it's middle easterners that are in these jails. It's not like we're holding Indians in these jails.

Wow. It is not 'middle easterners' that are attacking us, it's radical extremest Muslims. I don't see you detaining all the extremist Christians. They've killed their fair share of Americans.

BTW... if 90% of the hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, how come we didn't go there?

[KagomJack]

OPEC is why you're shelling out $3 a gallon.

[Dar_Win]

Wow. It is not 'middle easterners' that are attacking us, it's radical extremest Muslims. I don't see you detaining all the extremist Christians. They've killed their fair share of Americans.

BTW... if 90% of the hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, how come we didn't go there?

It is not 'middle easterners' that are attacking us, it's radical extremest Muslims.
Where are those extremest Muslims from? That's correct. the Middle East.

I don't see you detaining all the extremist Christians. They've killed their fair share of Americans.
Did extremist Christians hijack planes and crash them into buildings? No. As you said yourself, they were from the Middle East.

BTW... if 90% of the hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, how come we didn't go there?
We used to be friendly with Saudi Arabia. Apparently that friendship has gone downhill in the last two years, but we are still somewhat friendly with them. But the main reason is that Osama Bin Laden was/is hiding in the mountains in Afganastan. We then got intel. that Osama had been having talks with Sadam, and that Iraq now had WMD.

[Lenny]

Where are those extremest Muslims from? That's correct. the Middle East.


Not entirely true that all extremist Muslims are from the Middle East. There have been a few failed bombings in London recently, a flaming Jeep drove into Terminal 1 at Glasgow airport a few days ago - carried out by English Muslims. The 7/7 bombings in London a few years back were also English Muslims.

I guess that a number of extremist Muslims in the US were born and raised in America, and had the idea planted in their heads to attack by visiting Muslims, or those that went over to live in the US.

[khwiii]

Did extremist Christians hijack planes and crash them into buildings? No. As you said yourself, they were from the Middle East.

Wow. Explain to me how your response makes sense? I said if we treat extremist Muslims one way, we need to treat extremist Christians the same,... Your response was ^ that?

We used to be friendly with Saudi Arabia. Apparently that friendship has gone downhill in the last two years, but we are still somewhat friendly with them. But the main reason is that Osama Bin Laden was/is hiding in the mountains in Afganastan. We then got intel. that Osama had been having talks with Sadam, and that Iraq now had WMD.


HA... What weapons of mass destruction? The ones that Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney made appear out of nowhere? Good thing we are in Iraq, things have REALLY calmed down there. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[D3V]

Where are those extremest Muslims from? That's correct. the Middle East.


Did extremist Christians hijack planes and crash them into buildings? No. As you said yourself, they were from the Middle East.


We used to be friendly with Saudi Arabia. Apparently that friendship has gone downhill in the last two years, but we are still somewhat friendly with them. But the main reason is that Osama Bin Laden was/is hiding in the mountains in Afganastan. We then got intel. that Osama had been having talks with Sadam, and that Iraq now had WMD.

The Middle East is a big fucking place, you can't just generalize them into one "persona"...

Not ALL of the Hijackers we're muslim, they though however, we're involved with Al Qaeda.

We've ONLY been friends with Saudia Arabia because of Prez Bush #1, Daddy Bush.. Dar_win you are completely false. We NEVER got "intel" that Osama was having talks with Saddam, it was though however that the CIA sent an oprative down to Jordan in africa to see if any trade we're going on down THERE between the two, and NOTHING was apparent, the CIA mission was organized by Cheney and his staff, BEFORE going to war with Iraq.

And finally, the WMD has been blown so far out of the water you extremist "republicans" can't even argue about anything anymore, just admit that the president that you love so much is the biggest failure in the history of our country and that you are sorry for arguing with the sensible community for this duration period of time, admit that you we're wrong, and supporting a president that is only stabbing you in the back using fear and terror to rise up his own personal bank accounts was and has been completely oblivious to you, just admit that, and we can call this case.. closed.

[Dar_Win]

I said if we treat extremist Muslims one way, we need to treat extremist Christians the same
I was saying that Christian extremists have never done anything as catastrophic as kill over 2,000 people in one day.

We NEVER got "intel" that Osama was having talks with Saddam
I found a link that dates pre-9/11 talks
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,314700,00.html

And finally, the WMD has been blown so far out of the water you extremist "republicans"
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I think Republicans are to interested in making money for themselves, and Democrats cry about everything and are to pussy to make something happen. To be honest, I hate both of them, and just about everyone in the government.

just admit that the president that you love so much is the biggest failure in the history of our country
I don't really like or dislike the president. I think he had a crisis on his hands, he was presented with information, and he had to act on the information he had at the time. Also, he isn't the biggest failure in the history of our country by a long shot. You sound like a 10 year old when you say that.

admit that you we're wrong
No one is right or wrong. This is only opinions.

stabbing you in the back using fear and terror
Using fear and terror? That's what Bin Laden is trying to do. I even never felt afraid from anything the president has ever said.

to rise up his own personal bank accounts was and has been completely oblivious to you
I believe I have stated before that I think just about all politicians are money hungry thieves and crooks. That long list includes George Bush.

[khwiii]

I was saying that Christian extremists have never done anything as catastrophic as kill over 2,000 people in one day.

Crusades. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades)

[Dar_Win]

Not one of those crusades was against America.

[Willkillforfood]

Your previous statement wasn't just tailored to Americans.

President Bush has commited treasonous acts, imo. He's turned much of the world even more against us and made us look like fools. Withdrawling from the nuclear test ban treaty (I believe that was it) and so many other things is retarded.

I have to make one comment though ...we're in a hopeless war where we should just leave and let them sort their own shit out. Sure, it sounds cruel ...but we've been there for years and there is still not solid iraqi military and so forth. It's all been a waste of tax payers' dollars and American lives. I sincerely doubt those that died on 9/11 wanted their President to abuse their memory to push his own agenda. I hope Bush enjoys hell when he goes there.

[Dar_Win]

we should just leave and let them sort their own shit out. Sure, it sounds cruel ...but we've been there for years and there is still not solid iraqi military and so forth. It's all been a waste of tax payers' dollars and American lives. I sincerely doubt those that died on 9/11 wanted their President to abuse their memory to push his own agenda. I hope Bush enjoys hell when he goes there.

I agree with everything in that paragraph except for the hell part.

[Demosthenes]

Yea, I would definitely change that last sentence to "I wish there was a hell for Bush to go to."

[Dar_Win]

Lol. If there really is a hell, and it's as bad as it sounds, then I don't think anyone deserves that. (Except for a handful of people.)


(Next post will be D3v or mjordan saying something along the lines of "George Bush is in the handful of people deserving that.")

[Grav]

George Bush is in the handful of people deserving that.

Predictable... yes.

[Vollstrecker]

I was saying that Christian extremists have never done anything as catastrophic as kill over 2,000 people in one day.


The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The various Witch Hunts across America in the past few centuries, and the Holy Roman Empire which marched upon a fair portion of Germanic Europe.

A fair portion of wholesale slaughter in the past 2 millenia has been in the name of Christ.

[Jessifer]

Obama.

[Thanatos]

Well, shit, let's elect him now!

[Demosthenes]

By the polls, it looks like Hillary Clinton is the democratic favorite, though.

[D3V]

For some odd reason, I'm not exactly sure what it is, pretty much positive it isn't sexism, But I can't STAND Hilary. I'm sure she's a good person, but the people that think they're going to be getting another Bill in office, are totally false, he will be IN the white house, but he's going to be macking, and not helping out his bitch wife what-so-ever.

[Lenny]

Hilary Clinton - Thatcher of the Americas! :rolleyes:

I haven't a clue about any of the candidates, but I have seen a couple in YouTube videos - quick interviews on news shows and whatnot. Judging from those, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Obama.

[Willkillforfood]

The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The various Witch Hunts across America in the past few centuries, and the Holy Roman Empire which marched upon a fair portion of Germanic Europe.

A fair portion of wholesale slaughter in the past 2 millenia has been in the name of Christ.

Hitler got every single one of his ideas from ordained Roman Catholic behavior too, btw.

[Dar_Win]

He was trying to get payback for what they did to Jesus.

[Vollstrecker]

He was trying to get payback for what they did to Jesus.

I hope you are being facetious.

[D3V]

I suppose we can all agree that Obama is the favorite? Damnit I thought FOR SURE somebody would pop their ugly ass in here besides Darwin and try to make this into a "Debate" but I guess not,...

[klo]

Clinton was supposed to be on the mix radio station here this morning. Didn't listen to it because I have to work....but early this morning they were talking about what they were going to talk to her about...and it was..............

IPODs and Iphones!!! haha

[Demosthenes]

I suppose we can all agree that Obama is the favorite? Damnit I thought FOR SURE somebody would pop their ugly ass in here besides Darwin and try to make this into a "Debate" but I guess not,...

Jeb Bush '08!!!

[D3V]

Dude seriously, Fuck Jeb Bush, however he is better than GW, but we had him as our guy here in Florida for a while and nothing but bad things have come from his redneck wannabe ass... Seriously, Florida literally has some of the worst schools in the nation, we're behind budget amonst other states that are far worse off than each other, bam that enough is no platform for him, you lose Jeb.


But seriously, I would vote for Howard Dean in '08 if he ran again, hahaha, Poor guy.

[Demosthenes]

Like I said before, I could seriously consider McCain.

[D3V]

He's been having so much problems already though, they say he's gonna be the first "casulty" of the '08 political race... well the first real candidate to fall out..

[Penny_Bags]

We need a president who in the back of their mind has only been playing the political game the whole time to serve their ascent into the presidency, at which point they can cut to shit and tackle some real issues.

I'm sorry, but I really don't think any of these people are that person.... maybe Obama... but then again- he's a nigger.

[Thanatos]

Let's hope you have some more common sense than that last statement of yours, Penny.

[hotdog]

Penny is on something though look at the votes. Maybe it's because white people have failed us so many times?

[Vollstrecker]

Obviously, white people are different from others in this sense.

We should elect a dog, since every human who's been elected President has drawn some dissent. Someone should call the dog who played in the Air Bud movies.

[hotdog]

Screw Air Bud get that other dog the smart one who solved mysteries I think it was Lassie.

[Vault Dweller]

Fuck a dog president. I want that gorilla from Congo. She was intelligent and an asskicker.

[Thanatos]

Man, that's a classic movie right there. Good stuff.

[Willkillforfood]

One of the gray ones could be secretary of defense.

[Vault Dweller]

Now we're talkin'.

[hotdog]

Nah get a Baboon as the President I hear they know some awesome combat techniques and tactics.

[Vollstrecker]

Nah get a Baboon as the President I hear they know some awesome combat techniques and tactics.

Warfare should always be the strong point of a President.

[Demosthenes]

Warfare should always be the strong point of a President.

EXACTLY! Why do presidential candidates incessantly talk about their jingoistic philosophies? And why is the American populace so receptive to these philosophies?

[Vollstrecker]

I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. I think a part of it would be that part of America is simply bored and receptive to anything that would add excitement to their lives in addition to the "America is the best country evar!" propaganda we're constantly being fed.

Perhaps this is a discussion for another thread though, as we're slightly offtopic.

[Demosthenes]

Point taken, I'll shut up about it.

[Vollstrecker]

Point taken, I'll shut up about it.

Not saying anything like that, I'm just saying we might want to make sure we're either focused on the topic of Presidential qualities or take a debate about the American populace to another thread. :D

[D3V]

Just an update. The CNN/YouTube debate is on tonight, i'm not exactly sure who's going to be on it, and what they're going to be debating, I think users get to send in questions, so hopefully the candidates can stay on fucking topic and answer some questions, should be fun to watch.

www.cnn.com
www.youtube.com

[Vollstrecker]

Oh, a debate where users can ask questions?

Sounds like it'll be a fun game of political dodgeball!

[D3V]

You know what bothers me, is how can Hilary be at the top of these "polls" when it's obvious that Obama is the favorite. That's all everyone ever looks at is the damn polls, and they're hardly ever accurate. I'm supposing that Hilary has her own set of geeks that continously vote for her online to keep her morale up.

Either way, Obama '08 WILL happen, even if it takes beating out a Psycho bitch like Hilary with all of the Femenists behind her. Even shit, Oprah doesn't even support her, she's a smart woman, backing Obama. What you got on that beeyatch?

[Demosthenes]

From what I've observed, the polls are generally pretty damned accurate. They aren't perfect, but they're usually a good prediction of what will happen. I would believe that Obama is the favorite amongst the youth of the nation, but sadly that's also the group that is the least represented on the ballots.

[D3V]

It sucks so much that Hilary will probably take that poll, I swear all we have to do is push. If politics come up at work, speak your damn mind. Anywhere and everywhere, I don't want another fucking '04 election to happen and have some asshat like Bush elected into office, it pisssed me off so much that Kerry couldn't even take that nominee.

I think what it is, is that more people have time to submit polls for hilary, rather than Obama, because most people that like Hilary are ignorant, thinking that Bill is going to be back in office again, amongst other things, she has no real experience, and she seems unknowledgeable about pretty much everything, while on the other hand Obama is the man, he nails every point and is always perfect with his demeanor, while Hilary is basically just rhetoric that she's been practicing in the mirror.

[Demosthenes]

Most of these polls aren't done online, though.

I honestly hope that John Edwards is the democratic candidate, but I know this will not be the case.

[D3V]

You really like John Edwards? He seems to fake to me, that whole "OMG I'm just a southern boy with a gay daughter" thing is played out too much, just like MCCain's LE OMG I WAS A POW.. is just old..

[Demosthenes]

I like Barrack Obama better than John Edwards. But I like John Edwards better than any of the republicans. And as a black man, I don't think Obama stands a chance of winning the election.

[D3V]

Yeah how come your people don't like him? o_O He's not even all the way black, so you don't get to claim him all the way, anyways.

And John Edwards is a Democrat, not a republican

[Demosthenes]

Yeah how come your people don't like him? o_O He's not even all the way black, so you don't get to claim him all the way, anyways.

And John Edwards is a Democrat, not a republican

I guess I should expand a bit.

What I mean is the idea of a black man running for president would scare away a lot of the centrists and those that lean democrat, but also have some republican views. It would also guarantee that those who normally vote republican but have been scared away from the republican party due to our current regime continue to vote republican, because I believe a black president is too extreme a change for them. If John Edwards were pushed through the democratic primaries, however, I have no doubt that he would win the election. Really, any white, heterosexual, protestant male who ran as a democrat would win, which is why I'd rather John Edwards be the democratic candidate.

Overall, I think Obama is better qualified to be president. He exemplifies, at least for now, the qualities I would like to see in the leader of our nation. He should serve as a paradigm for presidential candidates. That said, I don't think he can win. That is the only reason I hope he is not the democratic candidate, because I honestly don't want another 4 years of the republican party.

[Vollstrecker]

I guess I should expand a bit.

What I mean is the idea of a black man running for president would scare away a lot of the centrists and those that lean democrat, but also have some republican views. It would also guarantee that those who normally vote republican but have been scared away from the republican party due to our current regime continue to vote republican, because I believe a black president is too extreme a change for them. If John Edwards were pushed through the democratic primaries, however, I have no doubt that he would win the election. Really, any white, heterosexual, protestant male who ran as a democrat would win, which is why I'd rather John Edwards be the democratic candidate.

Overall, I think Obama is better qualified to be president. He exemplifies, at least for now, the qualities I would like to see in the leader of our nation. He should serve as a paradigm for presidential candidates. That said, I don't think he can win. That is the only reason I hope he is not the democratic candidate, because I honestly don't want another 4 years of the republican party.

I'm in full agreeance with your reasoning regarding Obama, although I don't know John Edwards at all. I think we'll see a woman President before a Black President for sure, there simply isn't enough active voters among the younger populace to outweigh the votes of oldtimers who still haven't moved past the last few decades mentally.

[Demosthenes]

Wow, Mike Gravel just won some support from me. I'm going to have to look into it a little.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YtSrmfBHkZQ

Ron Paul seems decent too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qD9eO7qToTk

[Thanatos]

I was surprised that you didn't list Ron Paul in your poll when you created the thread. I would choose him over Obama. He seems very level-headed and rational about things.

[D3V]

Just go read up a bit on his history, he doesn't seem proinent enough to me to be our leader, because in fact, that is what we need. But for John Edwards I agree MJ, I wouldn't mind him being our Dem nominee, much rather have him over Hilary, maybe he could announce running with Obama as his Vice Prez, maybe that would win over some support.

[Silverjinx18]

woo hoo go Oboma. Oboma='s better then yo moma (aka Clinton) and yo slow little brother (aka Bush)

[hotdog]

If the republican party wins again this country will dissolve into chaos.

[Vollstrecker]

If the republican party wins again this country will dissolve into chaos.

It's true, I heard that Cheney was planning to summon Cthulu when they won again.

[Demosthenes]

Really? I heard that a super-ultra-mega-badass-baal-diablo-clone cross-breed spawn was supposed to be summoned...I must have heard wrong.

[Vollstrecker]

Then they'd do the Fusion Dance and become Mecha-Streisand, right?

[RoboticSilence]

What kind of candidate list is that!? There are a lot of people missing and no option to pick none of those! You are pretty misinformed about changing attitudes. The two-party system is dead in 20 years.

P.S. I vote Ron Paul.

[D3V]

I'd definately vote for Jon Stewart if he ran, maybe if Robin Williams was his runningmate.

[Vollstrecker]

The two-party system is dead in 20 years.

The amount of hope I have for this could lift a barbell.

[Grav]

They are going to make Uncle Ruckus president.

[RoboticSilence]

The amount of hope I have for this could lift a barbell.
I would hope your hope is lifting a very heavy barbell or I would say you are just doing damage to that which you desire.

[KagomJack]

I've been evaluating things. More 'n likely, I'd actually vote for Giuliani if he were to be running on the Republican ticket (only, though, if Hillary is the on the Democrat's ticket).

[Chruser]

http://www.zelaron.com/gear/BarbGank.jpg

Just get Bush out of office already, and I'm happy. Barack Hussein Obama has a pretty cool name though, so my invalid vote resides with him.

[KagomJack]

Haha! Awesome Civilization pic post :D

[D3V]

I've been hearing a few things on the news lately where people are bashing Obama because he says if Pakistan doesn't attack the terrorists THAT THEY ARE HARBORING, then we need to eliminate them. I'm pretty sure that is a heavy place for Al Qaeda, but since we're allied with them we can't do anything.

Just a tidbit...

[KagomJack]

Yeah, I've been hearing that. Read something about Hillary doing something that's causing some ire among her Democrat brethern, but I forget what.

[D3V]

You mean, other than she's a dumb unexperienced bitch?

[Willkillforfood]

This just in, Hillary, Barack, and Rudy Guliana exposed to be in a seedy love-triangle!

[Vault Dweller]

Gross, dude. Gross...

[Chruser]

Bump! Nice results.

[Jessifer]

Silverjinx voted.

[Thanatos]

Bump! Nice results.

Zelaron are smart.

[D3V]

lulz, we voteed a blak guy into whte hourse tat means we gun hve watermelen patches