Homosexuality: Is it a choice?

[KagomJack]

Obviously I believe it's something that we're born with. Very rarely is one's sexuality a chosen thing. But I'd like to see your opinion and maybe debate the opposing side's view.

[Lenny]

I'd honestly say it's more nuture, than nature.

But then again, there's that weird statistic that says "For every boy child you have, there's a third more chance that the next boy child is homosexual."

I don't know why... but it might be something to do with being around lads so much that you start to feel attracted to them. There's definitely something happening like that in all Boys/Girls schools - quite a few people who go to single-sex schools turn out homosexual.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Its probally a bad habit, like smoking.

[KagomJack]

According to what statistic, Lenny?

[Willkillforfood]

There's actually been noticeable changes in the difference in the brains of heterosexual and homosexual animals. May be the same with humans.

[gruesomeBODY]

Well if you think homosexuality is something that people are born with, then how do u explain, by-sexuality? I think its more choice then anything. That, plus a chemical inbalance in the person's body. (IE- guys have more estrogen which leads them to be more attracted to guys, women have more testostorine (sp) which attracts them to other women) (THis is all what i have been taught, so if i am wrong about something, please let me know and dont bash me to hard)

[Thanatos]

If you're religious, then no.. homosexuality is definitely a choice. Why would God create homosexuals when it clearly states in the Bible the evils of homosexuality. I'm not that religious.. I don't believe everything in the Bible, I mean it's people telling stories of Jesus, of course things are gonna be exagerated.

BUT, I think homosexuality is a choice. Do you honestly see kids displaying homosexual traits when they're younger? Hardly.

[KagomJack]

I can honestly say I did as a child and a few others I know did too.

gruesome: bisexuality is just weird. I think it is something that's inherent otherwise.

[Lenny]

A boy's chances of growing up gay increase with the number of older brothers he has, and the Canadian researcher who spotted the trend a decade ago now believes he is closer to explaining why: It all starts in the womb.

Brock University psychologist Anthony Bogaert first reported in 1996 the startling finding that a boy's probability of growing up gay increases by about one-third with each older brother in his family. It's a subtle phenomenon -- nearly all boys even in large families still grow up straight -- but subsequent research has affirmed that the "fraternal birth order effect" is real.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/27/MNGPHJKU0V1.DTL&type=science

That one. :p

[Atnas]

I believe in what grousome said, because it only makes sense. Eating foods while you are pregnant that contain hormones could do it, like if a cow is given growth hormones.

[KagomJack]

Maybe I should be more specific: the statistic behind the all boys/girls school.

[Willkillforfood]

If you're religious, then no.. homosexuality is definitely a choice. Why would God create homosexuals when it clearly states in the Bible the evils of homosexuality. I'm not that religious.. I don't believe everything in the Bible, I mean it's people telling stories of Jesus, of course things are gonna be exagerated.

BUT, I think homosexuality is a choice. Do you honestly see kids displaying homosexual traits when they're younger? Hardly.

Who says the traits have to be displayed? If you're a kid and taught something is wrong then you'll avoid it in order to avoid punishment. Also perhaps it isn't as noticeable at a young age and as the child matures emotionally it becomes more and more apparent with time that they are attracted to members of the same sex.

I can tell you I've never made a "choice" to be straight. It's just how I've always been. Could it then not be the same for homosexuals? Does it really make much sense to expect someone's sexual preference to be simply "Hmm, I want to like boys" or "I want to like girls." It doesn't seem so simple to me, but that's just me. I'm sure the environment the child grows up in would have some sort of effect on it (but that doesn't make it the child's choice by any means) ...like if a boy is molested by a man they may be more likely to be homosexual ...but I really doubt every gay male was molested as a child so there has to be something else.

[Lenny]

I'm just going off urban legends, there. :p You know people say that. It's a stereotype more than anything, most probably.

The first statistic is true, though.

[Sovereign]

Can anyoen get a hold of kuja. I want him to post in this thread.

[JRwakebord]

Not a choice. You're born the way you are.

[xombie_love]

well i am not sure, but i think you are born with it. i had a friend once who was gay and i can not imagine him beeing heterosexual, just doesnt feel right. :p

[bewitched]

well, I also think that you are born with it.
because when I see that one kid in my kindergarten, she is acting like a boy and if you ask her if she is a girl or a boy she always says " I´m a boy". She just likes her hair short, she is just wearing pants etc.
I´m pretty sure she is born in the wrong body.
Or we also had this one boy, he acted like a girl and he liked girly coulours. like pink.

[Atnas]

Pink is very manly.

[bewitched]

oh really?
So you would wear a pink shirt? :weird:

[JRwakebord]

I do. On a fairly regular basis.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Stop mixing your manly Blood Red shirts in with your white shirts tool.

[JRwakebord]

Nothing wrong with pink shirts.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9942/284528410gcgrdrfslp5.jpg

[bewitched]

Wow, cool!!!

[HandOfHeaven]

I've heard of some males being attracted to guys at some point in life, and then switching to girls at a later period. (Vice Versa) I don't think this is exactly bi though.

[KagomJack]

I've known guys like that.

[Willkillforfood]

I do. On a fairly regular basis.

It's trendy now. If you had said that perhaps 5-10 years ago you may had been a trend setter =P.

[Atnas]

I wore pink in first grade. Please tell me I set the trend.

[JRwakebord]

Fuck trends, I just happen to like the color. I also wear purples, greens, teals, yellows... and those are just the shirts I wear with a suit and tie.

[gruesomeBODY]

its true, i have a pic of him wearing purple.

[Thanatos]

Do you have to tuck it in, though?

[JRwakebord]

That shirt, yes. It's too long to wear untucked.

[osmoses-jones]

no you don't born with it kagomfag. You didn't came out of your mother womb ready to suck dick. I think is choice people make to go flow with society. Remember that girl ellene <---- that bitch who have host show married. They got broke and guess what she married guy and have shildren.

[Thanatos]

Man, osmoses should post more. He's hilarious! Anyway, I agree with you man.

[Willkillforfood]

no you don't born with it kagomfag. You didn't came out of your mother womb ready to suck dick. I think is choice people make to go flow with society. Remember that girl ellene <---- that bitch who have host show married. They got broke and guess what she married guy and have shildren.

Can't really understand what you said there x_x.

Of course no one refutes my points ...I mean come on, having a real debate is too hard. Let's call each other names and go 'lol'.

Oh yea, if she's attracted to girls and guys then that would make her bisexual. Not sure what you mean about her getting married ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_DeGeneres

maybe you're talking about Anne Heche or whatever her name is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Heche

[KagomJack]

I believe he is takling about Anne Heche. That woman doesn't know what the hell she is or what she wants.

[Willkillforfood]

All I know is she's cool because she speaks an alien language and her name is Celestia.

[Atnas]

Some hookers at the local Pancake Hodge Podge do that too. I'm like FTW??! And they're like hui ern ulba. Usaully with a ciggarette hanging out of their mouth and their pants halfway down.








No, I'm just joking.

Anyway, how many people agree it's not the homosexaul's choice?

[Sum Yung Guy]

its true, i have a pic of him wearing purple.
Purple is cool. I like wearing purple in my characters on games... look at my sig heh.

[wilma]

Bah, I think that it is a choice that some people make. As it was said earlier on in this thread, you're a product of your environment Based on that, if you're in an environment that's going to foster it, you'll probably choose homosexuality. The other case is that you're just looking for something that will make you stand out and be different. Reason one, valid. Reason two, stupid as hell. Both involve the act of choosing, I don't think it's something ingrained in you.

I think of it kind of like Vegetarianism. *Excluding religion* If you're exposed to animal slaughtering/cruelty/whatever as you grow up, you're more likely to become a vegetarian. It's not that you simply CAN'T eat meat, but that after some of the things you've experienced, you choose not to. Oh yah, there's attention whores in this category too. Fucking tards.

P.S. Don't hate on purple. One of my favourites growing up. That and blue.

[KagomJack]

I was brought up in a very anti-homosexual environment. I was raised Christian/Catholic.

Why I don't believe it's a choice: if it were, it could be changed. It hasn't been and won't be. Some people find out they're actually bisexual or confused. Anyone who claims to be ex-gay is a liar. And again, why would ANYONE choose to be gay? Really.

[Sum Yung Guy]

Maybe thats why you became gay over time? Everyone likes to root for the underdog... and in your household gays were an underdog?

[KagomJack]

I'd highly doubt that.

[Atnas]

More likely in his household gays were persecuted. Though some of the nicer Christain/Catholic groups accept gay people. I know I do, because I was raised Roman Catholic.

[Willkillforfood]

Wait ...religious people accepting homosexuals? Where have you been? "Hey queer, you're going to hell" is the general attitude =P.

[wilma]

Sorry, try again. Being part of the United Church I can say that we're pretty well accepting of anyone. A few years back, we had a female minister at our church. Take that archaic misogynist traditions!

For the record though, she was boring as hell.

[Thanatos]

Influenced by the WBC retards, eh?

[Dar_Win]

Can homosexuality run in familys?

[Lenny]

First things first - how many said families would there actually be?

Secondly, if a child grows up in a homosexual environment, then there's probably a very good chance that they themselves would develop homosexual tendencies.

Nuture, not nature.

[Kaneda]

Environment, up bringing, certain incidents and encounters in ones life at certain stages of development. It may not be the persons choice but it is of a mental nature.

[Lenny]

Erm, 20 past 5.

(I think I got away with it!)

[Grav]

Saying it is nurture and not nature is basically just saying that you are outright guessing. Taking that guess as fact is being defiantly ignorant. The answer is simple: nobody knows yet. Saying anything else is just being outright rude to gay people. Are you gay? Are you a sociologist that studies gay people?

No? Then shutup.

[Lenny]

I love you too, Grav.

There's got to be at least a smidgeoon of nurture in it.

[Demosthenes]

I don't think it's a choice. There was a really interesting article in Seed Magazine a few months ago about this, if anyone wants to check it out.

[NonGayMan]

There are things in this world that cannot be explained. For most people it is probably not a choice. I don't think any nongays (that's my word! :nerd: ) would know for sure. Anyone that calls it a disease is ignorant though or does not truly know what a disease is. It's not really a mental disorder either in my opinion.

[slaynish]

i didnt read any of this but to be completly honest with you and being understandable and fair i think that homosexuality as a teenager or young adult has something to do with the way you grew up. If you grew up being maybe mollested or if you grew up around a lot of girls and they always talked about guys or something idk. For instance im reading this book titled America. It is about this child named America who was born into a crack-head family, his mom was a crack whore. So he was given away to like a foster home. Then he went to visit his mom one day when he was maybe 7 or 8 and he stayed for like 3 months because his mom kept doin drugs and stuff and just left 3 kids home alone for days on end. Finally police showed up and he got brought back to his old fosterhome and there was a guy there that like gave him vodka and coke and stuff and tried to get him to watch porn with him and then raped him, i'm not done with the book but this kid is older now and keeps dreaming about 'dicks' and 'tits' and is very confused about his sexuality.

Okay basically thats WHY i believe it just depends how you were brought up. BTW the book is titled America; once again; and the author is something frank.

[slaynish]

also its just wat u like

do u like pepsi or coke more













if you said coke your gay.

if you said pepsi your nongay(nongaymans word)

[KagomJack]

Well, I know a lot of people like Coke and they're straight :o

Your theory FUCKING FAILS.

[Sum Yung Guy]

They could be gays in the closet... or straights acting gay.

[D3V]

Can homosexuality run in familys?

Yeah, you and your brothers are gay, both of your dads are gay, and every other blood relative that has ever touched you is... probably gay.

[Dar_Win]

Are you upset because you found out your dads are brothers?

[D3V]

Are you upset because you found out your dads are brothers?

Good comeback Mr. Gump. You fucking retard

[HandOfHeaven]

Wow, you can't handle a good insult so you just call someone a negative term. Interesting.

[KagomJack]

This thread's getting off subject, ye landlubbers.

[HandOfHeaven]

Well, last Friday a freshman I know who has a girlfriend kissed another guy for 10 seconds for $3.50. It had tongue too, and he says he isn't gay.

[Willkillforfood]

This thread's getting off subject, ye landlubbers.

Asspirates...

sorry, had to.

[HandOfHeaven]

Um, sodomy? In the Taliban? What?

[gruesomeBODY]

I know this gay guy and he said he use to like girls until he hit highschool. He then saw "the man of his dreams" and now wont go back. So i was wondering, do you think it is in us then one day it just happens?

[Mantralord]

guys and girls are too ambiguous nowadays, they're both generally retards

[KagomJack]

No, some people just are bisexual and they tend to lean more towards one gender than the other, but identify themselves as one way or another because they think they should. Odds are that your friend is really bisexual. I have a friend who said he was straight, then went gay, then to bisexual. Odds are: he was bisexual to begin with.

[Demosthenes]

do you think it is in us then one day it just happens?

Don't know about you, but it sure as hell ain't in me.

[gruesomeBODY]

Don't know about you, but it sure as hell ain't in me.
I know its not in me, but i was trying to keep the convo going. Dont know why????

[Penny_Bags]

All I Know is that anyone who says they are bisexual are just deviants and they will fuck anything that you put between their legs.


And also, I don't know if it is a choice (homosexuality), but if it is its a bad one.

[Demosthenes]

And also, I don't know if it is a choice (homosexuality), but if it is its a bad one.

HAHAHAHA! Fucking pwn.

[Mantralord]

obviously this question is best answered by a forum composed of 98% straight people

[Demosthenes]

obviously this question is best answered by a forum composed of 98% straight people

Clearly.