Telepathically linked suicide?

[Chruser]

Oh great, another of those strange coincidences. Okay, first off, I'm a happy, positive person, and I love life, but last night, my mind was literally filled with really dark, suicidal thoughts. It was totally unlike me, and very much weird.

As it turns out, a close friend of mine's class mate (or someone attending her grade at school at least) whom she knew pretty well jumped off a bridge last night. My friend claims to have no idea why he killed himself, and she described him as "the happiest bloke in town".

I talked to my friend on MSN, so I figured that adds another possibility; three in total so far:

1. TCP/IP-based telepathy.
2. Another experimental result pointing in the general direction of the existence of a quantified, discrete world of multiverses, which contains at least one universe for every possibility.
3. Two totally unrelated freak incidents.

Thoughts?

[Demosthenes]

Numero tres, I'm sure.

[Willkillforfood]

Coincidence methinks. A lot of people have guises they portray to the outside world while sheltering dark thoughts inside. You were just down :P.

[Draco2003]

i dunno.....but I do believe in telepathy and stuff...maybe you did channel into that person's "frequency" while they felt depressed. There is a pretty long shot that it was mere coincidence. They say people with extreme emotions (not emo) I.E. depressed, excited, happy, angry...can send that feeling out to other people without trying. Maybe it was like those people who dial random phone numbers when they are about to commit suicide, and he just happened to "dial your number".

I'd go with telepathy...

[Lenny]

Well, it'd be nice to believe the telepathy bit. But if you've had no history of it before etc, the chances are it was #3.

Maybe you'd just had a bad day, or you weren't feeling too well. It happens to everyone. I'm usually really happy, and bouncy, and whatever, but occasionally I get really depressed for no reason. Same with you?

EDIT: Just realised I missed Draco's post. :p If someone in a group is really really happy, then other's in the group will start to share the feeling. If one is extremely depressed, other's might feel their moods dampened. If someone yanws, everyone yawns. Something to do with human nature.

Though how would the emotion be transmitted over a large distance? Twins are said to be able to do it, but what about everyone else? We could've had a whole neighbourhood in Sweden jumping off bridges.

[Willkillforfood]

Some studies show that there are links between humans that we cannot see. Tai Chi masters can send "energy" or emotions or some shit to their students who are placed in another building :P. At least that's what some japanese studies show.

[sciencekid]

Some studies show that there are links between humans that we cannot see. Tai Chi masters can send "energy" or emotions or some shit to their students who are placed in another building :P. At least that's what some japanese studies show.

my sister once did an experiment about EMFs(Electro-Magnetic Fields) in humans. she laid facedown on a bed and had her friend place a hand a few inches above her back, not touching her back, and my sister was able to tell her friend where her friends hand was above her back. i believe we as humans have a very faint sense of the EMF.
i myself can sleep in a moving car wake up, open my eyes and tell aproximitely which general direction we are going(north, south, east, west) although what i think is north is off by 90 degrees and every direction after that is also off in the same direction by 90 degrees(i don't remember in what direction though), for example noth = east, east = south, etc etc. it either has to do with the position of the sun, or an awareness of the earth's magnetic poles.
on another note, think about birds, how do they know which way is north or south? i think it's because they are more aware of the earth's magnetic field than we are. i guess it might have somthing to do with what we're talking about, maybe the "energy" they could "send" was really a EMF that was extended and focused that trained students could sense. i don't know, it's just a guess.

[Demosthenes]

my sister once did an experiment about EMFs(Electro-Magnetic Fields) in humans. she laid facedown on a bed and had her friend place a hand a few inches above her back, not touching her back, and my sister was able to tell her friend where her friends hand was above her back. i believe we as humans have a very faint sense of the EMF.
i myself can sleep in a moving car wake up, open my eyes and tell aproximitely which general direction we are going(north, south, east, west) although what i think is north is off by 90 degrees and every direction after that is also off in the same direction by 90 degrees(i don't remember in what direction though), for example noth = east, east = south, etc etc. it either has to do with the position of the sun, or an awareness of the earth's magnetic poles.
on another note, think about birds, how do they know which way is north or south? i think it's because they are more aware of the earth's magnetic field than we are. i guess it might have somthing to do with what we're talking about, maybe the "energy" they could "send" was really a EMF that was extended and focused that trained students could sense. i don't know, it's just a guess.

The composition of the Electo-Magnetic field your body exerts around you would be dictated but the molecular structure of your body -- something we have no control over. Furthermore, even if we could somehow figure out a way to control the electro-magnetic field that radiates from our body, there would be an enormous amount of interference between your EMF, and the EMF of other objects in between you and what you are "focusing" on, unless what you focused on was millimeters from you. As for your sisters study, there could be plenty of variables that would have allowed your sister to know where along her back the hand was placed -- for instance, the body gives off heat, which could be how she knew. Her study is not wrong though, according to quantum physics, humans can definitely detect the interaction between electric fields -- in fact, you've, according to quantum physics, you've never touched anything in your life, you've only felt the interaction between the electric forces given off by another object and your hand. If you don't believe me, look you'll have to look deep into electric repulsion.

[sciencekid]

the feeling she felt in her experiment i think had to do with the feeling you get when you know someones looking at you, kind of like when your hair stands up on end and then you turn around and someones there staring at you

as for the electrical repulsion, we're studying it in my college astronomy class, so i do believe you in what you say, it seems logical. what i want to know, is how come waves like sound need a medium, but EM waves don't, but are still affected and yet not effected by things like the expansion of space? my teacher won't give me a straight answer. it might help explain how one could "project" their EMF.

[Demosthenes]

the feeling she felt in her experiment i think had to do with the feeling you get when you know someones looking at you, kind of like when your hair stands up on end and then you turn around and someones there staring at you

Ehh, that's a lot of talk. What happens is that you have a slight, subconscious feeling that someone might be looking at you. This probably happens a lot more than you would expect, it's just that you're going to remember it when you find out that some actually is looking at you.

how come waves like sound need a medium, but EM waves don't

Well, that's the difference between mechanical and electromagnetic waves. Electromagnetic waves are created by the vibration of an electric charge.

[Willkillforfood]

In the human brain we actually have tiny bar magnets or load stones in our cells as do many creatures that supposedly use it to navigate. From whales to bacteria it can be found (and some hypothesis the straight load stones found in some bacteria lead to the first back bones.) Yea, there are bacteria that use magnets to migrate too :P.

Anyways, the tai chi thing seems very different from your sister's experiment. They were in different buildings sometimes hundreds of feet apart and the apprentice would react when the master did his little DBZ shooty thingy with his hands :P (looked like it :P.) There may be some sort of coincidence but even if it happens 80-90% of the time I'd say there's something to it (just as long as they didn't you know, time the reactions for every minute or some shit like that :P.)

It's all being researched right now, anyways.

[sciencekid]

Ehh, that's a lot of talk. What happens is that you have a slight, subconscious feeling that someone might be looking at you. This probably happens a lot more than you would expect, it's just that you're going to remember it when you find out that some actually is looking at you.

i was looking for anything that would be like the feeling that she got, i wasn't trying to say that it was a direct similiarity, ok?
anyway, you're avoiding the question, what do you think about the experiment she did, not the feeling she got or didn't get?


Well, that's the difference between mechanical and electromagnetic waves. Electromagnetic waves are created by the vibration of an electric charge.

that's what my teacher said as well, but i'm asking even beyond that, why is it able to not need a medium, and don't say that it just does, cause that's not what i want to hear. i heard that it's a rip in time/space, but i don't know.

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In the human brain we actually have tiny bar magnets or load stones in our cells as do many creatures that supposedly use it to navigate. From whales to bacteria it can be found (and some hypothesis the straight load stones found in some bacteria lead to the first back bones.) Yea, there are bacteria that use magnets to migrate too :P.

really? that's cool, where did you find out about that?

Anyways, the tai chi thing seems very different from your sister's experiment. They were in different buildings sometimes hundreds of feet apart and the apprentice would react when the master did his little DBZ shooty thingy with his hands :P (looked like it :P.) There may be some sort of coincidence but even if it happens 80-90% of the time I'd say there's something to it (just as long as they didn't you know, time the reactions for every minute or some shit like that :P.)

but it still has to do with sensing invisible fields, right? so it does have something to do w/ it, right? also, is there a video on the internet that i can watch that shows that?

[Willkillforfood]

The science channel :P. Not sure if it's "fields" per se. I'm wondering if they detected the magnetic field to see if there were any variations. If not then yea ...that would dispense that theory.

[sciencekid]

dang, my tv doesn't have regular tv shows on it, it only works for dvd, vhs, and game consoles, so i couldn't watch it. :(

[!King_Amazon!]

I think Chruser's evil side forced thoughts of suicide on this poor guy and caused him to commit suicide. Seems likely to me.

[Demosthenes]

i was looking for anything that would be like the feeling that she got, i wasn't trying to say that it was a direct similiarity, ok?
anyway, you're avoiding the question, what do you think about the experiment she did, not the feeling she got or didn't get?

There was a question? I was unaware of that. What do I think about the experiment? I think there are too many variables not taken into account to come to any sort of conclusion.

that's what my teacher said as well, but i'm asking even beyond that, why is it able to not need a medium, and don't say that it just does, cause that's not what i want to hear. i heard that it's a rip in time/space, but i don't know.


About a 100 or so years ago, most physicists believed that electromagnetic radiation always passed through a medium which permeated the universe called aether. This theory was discarded after Einstein published his Special Theory of Relativity. In another paper, Einstein explained that light could be looked at as individual particles, called photons, rather than waves. Obviously, particles do not require a medium to traverse through. Today, both the wave and particle theories are accepted. To get a better understanding of this, you're going to have to read into quantum mechanics.

[sciencekid]

ah, i see. ok thanks for the info. see? you are more mature for your age(or at least more knowledgeable than you should be for your age) :)

[Willkillforfood]

It's all theories anyways. There could be a totally new way of looking at it that we are yet to discover! :) Science is so dynamic :o.

[Chruser]

What the HELL?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,788643,00.html

Caption reads: "Swede dies in avalanche in the Alps".

The accident took place two days ago, and the casualty is a 19-year old male student who attended the same school as the guy who jumped off the bridge. The school is relatively small, somewhere in the range of a few hundred students, so the odds of something like this happening are not very large. Did I mention yet another student was killed by the Boxing Day tsunami, although that's over a year ago by now? Weird.

[Demosthenes]

Wow, thanks for the link! "Olyckan inträffade i Val d'Isere-området vid 14-tiden på måndagen," made perfect sense to me!

[Draco2003]

What you guys are all not understanding is that telepathy has no way of being proven scientifically. There have been stories of people seeing family members at say, 10:15 P.M., telling them, "Hey, I just wanted to see if you were alright, anyways I gotta go," and then they find out that the family member they saw had died at that time or 10:16 or something.

What I am trying to point out is that everybody has a telepathic abilty. But when any 2 people reach the same "frequency" they can communicate. Like a radio and a radio station. If the station is operating at 99.1 MHz and you are tuned in to 100.3 MHz then your not listening to KGGI (these stations are from where I live). But the minute you turn that 'tune' dial to 99.1, you are going to be listening to KGGI. People are the same way. Say, for instance, Chruser was a radio, in this case, and was "tuned in to" 100.3. The suicidal kid was the station, projecting his emotions/whatever at 99.1. When Chruser changed his "frequency" from 100.3 to 99.1, he was recieving the information that the suicidal kid was feeding. Thus, he felt the same way that the kid did.

Also like a radio station, the "frequency" would get interupted from Earth's magnetic field, mountain ranges, buildings, weather, and other objects. This would hinder how well a person would recieve the "broadcast". This does not, however, apply to people of the same bloodline. They seem to be operation on XM, where, no matter where in the world, you can recieve/send an "emotional broadcast".

One more thing. I am going to use the Halo universe as an example. They have developed a way to move through time and space, with the Shaw-Fujikawa Drives. These would "tear" a hole into a space that they have dubbed "Slipspace". During this period they are moving ALOT faster on another plane of sub-existance. Many people believe that today, that is possible, and that is what telepathy is. Now, on the other hand, we have the Covenant. They have a very uber-complex way of simply sliding into Slipspace and therefore are much more agile and able to navigate in it. This is how a ghost would move about this realm and the "Other Side". Even though, according to everyone who witnesses a person's death, they died at 10:15 in Europe, his brother in California had seen him at around 10:14, both Pacific Standard Time.

This is all what I believe and am willing to bet just about anything on. You may laugh at my analogy regarding Halo, but I could care less. Many people were scoffed for their theories, and the only bad theory, is one that has been given up on.

[!King_Amazon!]

Wow, thanks for the link! "Olyckan inträffade i Val d'Isere-området vid 14-tiden på måndagen," made perfect sense to me!

What, you can't read that?

[!King_Amazon!]

What you guys are all not understanding is that telepathy has no way of being proven scientifically. There have been stories of people seeing family members at say, 10:15 P.M., telling them, "Hey, I just wanted to see if you were alright, anyways I gotta go," and then they find out that the family member they saw had died at that time or 10:16 or something.

What I am trying to point out is that everybody has a telepathic abilty. But when any 2 people reach the same "frequency" they can communicate. Like a radio and a radio station. If the station is operating at 99.1 MHz and you are tuned in to 100.3 MHz then your not listening to KGGI (these stations are from where I live). But the minute you turn that 'tune' dial to 99.1, you are going to be listening to KGGI. People are the same way. Say, for instance, Chruser was a radio, in this case, and was "tuned in to" 100.3. The suicidal kid was the station, projecting his emotions/whatever at 99.1. When Chruser changed his "frequency" from 100.3 to 99.1, he was recieving the information that the suicidal kid was feeding. Thus, he felt the same way that the kid did.

Also like a radio station, the "frequency" would get interupted from Earth's magnetic field, mountain ranges, buildings, weather, and other objects. This would hinder how well a person would recieve the "broadcast". This does not, however, apply to people of the same bloodline. They seem to be operation on XM, where, no matter where in the world, you can recieve/send an "emotional broadcast".

One more thing. I am going to use the Halo universe as an example. They have developed a way to move through time and space, with the Shaw-Fujikawa Drives. These would "tear" a hole into a space that they have dubbed "Slipspace". During this period they are moving ALOT faster on another plane of sub-existance. Many people believe that today, that is possible, and that is what telepathy is. Now, on the other hand, we have the Covenant. They have a very uber-complex way of simply sliding into Slipspace and therefore are much more agile and able to navigate in it. This is how a ghost would move about this realm and the "Other Side". Even though, according to everyone who witnesses a person's death, they died at 10:15 in Europe, his brother in California had seen him at around 10:14, both Pacific Standard Time.

This is all what I believe and am willing to bet just about anything on. You may laugh at my analogy regarding Halo, but I could care less. Many people were scoffed for their theories, and the only bad theory, is one that has been given up on.
Um yeah sure, whatever you say mac.

[Willkillforfood]

There is research going on in telepathy *shrugs*. Not sure about the whole Halo thing but there are things we cannot explain. Don't discount it all yet ;).

[Demosthenes]

What you guys are all not understanding is that telepathy has no way of being proven scientifically. There have been stories of people seeing family members at say, 10:15 P.M., telling them, "Hey, I just wanted to see if you were alright, anyways I gotta go," and then they find out that the family member they saw had died at that time or 10:16 or something.

There are more than six billion people in the world alive at this very moment. One person dies every two seconds, I believe. Is it that absurd to believe that one out of these 6 billion people would have someone who is worried about them, calls them and asks them how they are doing, and then they die a minute later. 30 people will die within that minute. I don't find it hard to believe at all that one of these people would have had someone call to check up on them not so long ago. True, this is not likely, but it is a statistical anomaly. Almost all major statistical anomalies will be reported, and people will make bogus religions out of them too. If it can not be proven scientifically, then as far as we're concerned, it does not exist. However, if it has not been proven scientifically, then that's a different issue.

What I am trying to point out is that everybody has a telepathic abilty. But when any 2 people reach the same "frequency" they can communicate. Like a radio and a radio station. If the station is operating at 99.1 MHz and you are tuned in to 100.3 MHz then your not listening to KGGI (these stations are from where I live). But the minute you turn that 'tune' dial to 99.1, you are going to be listening to KGGI. People are the same way. Say, for instance, Chruser was a radio, in this case, and was "tuned in to" 100.3. The suicidal kid was the station, projecting his emotions/whatever at 99.1. When Chruser changed his "frequency" from 100.3 to 99.1, he was recieving the information that the suicidal kid was feeding. Thus, he felt the same way that the kid did.

Where in the world did you come up with this. You claim that this can't be scientifically proven, however you're using some mighty scientific terms for it. If you're going to make such an absurd claim, you should have some sort of evidence that points to it. At the moment it sounds like you're simply pulling it out of your ass.

Also like a radio station, the "frequency" would get interupted from Earth's magnetic field, mountain ranges, buildings, weather, and other objects. This would hinder how well a person would recieve the "broadcast". This does not, however, apply to people of the same bloodline. They seem to be operation on XM, where, no matter where in the world, you can recieve/send an "emotional broadcast".

Okay, so now this frequency has physical qualities. What you're talking about sounds an awful lot like electromagnetic radiation, which, for reasons already posted, would not be likely.

During this period they are moving ALOT faster on another plane of sub-existance.

What??? What is sub-existence?

Many people believe that today, that is possible, and that is what telepathy is.

I don't understand how travelling through what seems to be hyperspace is the same thing as telepathy?

Now, on the other hand, we have the Covenant. They have a very uber-complex way of simply sliding into Slipspace and therefore are much more agile and able to navigate in it. This is how a ghost would move about this realm and the "Other Side".

Ghosts go through hyperspace? They go to the other side? Like, out of a wormhole or something? :rolleyes:

This is all what I believe and am willing to bet just about anything on. You may laugh at my analogy regarding Halo, but I could care less. Many people were scoffed for their theories, and the only bad theory, is one that has been given up on.

Well, the people whose theories that were once scoffed at and are now accepted did some mighty hard research on what they were publishing, and they shared it with the world. Where is your research? Where is your evidence?

[!King_Amazon!]

His research: Shrooms, LSD, high doses of marijuana.

[Draco2003]

I didn't mean to take it all literally. The Halo thing was a reference, and the radio thing was an example of how telepathy is believed to be transmitted. And yes, there obviously is another side of this world, because where would ghosts go?

And I do not do drugs of any sort. I don't even take Tylenol for crying out loud.

As for evidence, no one has any evidence to fully support their claim at the time it is proposed. And if you wanna talk about evidence, then where is your evidence that there is no such thing as ESP?

Even if I did have evidence, would you look at it seriously, or go, "That's impossible." and never think about it again. Even if I had all the evidence in the world, people would still disagree. Just like there is no evidence to support Jesus, God, or the fact that 2 people created the whole world, yet they had 2 sons....

I guess what I am trying to say is that theories don't need evidence to be true, just a belief that it is possible. Until it is absolutely positivly proven that telepathy and other psychic abilitys are a figment of the imagination, then people, as well as I, will continue to believe that it does exist.

As for research to discover psychic abilitys, people are going about it all wrong. In this day and age, technology is all mighty and if technology can explain it, then it must be true, and if not, then it is false. People are trying to analyze it through a scientific nature, but it is either not gonna happen or take an extremely long time.




Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The person dying part, I said they see the person. And if you have seen anyone on thier deathbed, you would know that even if they WANTED to call someone to say goodbye, they wouldn't be able to.

[RoboticSilence]

His research: Shrooms, LSD, high doses of marijuana.

This helps but the science journals that follow are always incomprehensible.

[sciencekid]

you know, i just remembered something. i have a friend who sometimes has dreams of a certain person dying, and a short time later, the person she sees dies in the same way that she saw at the same time(provided the time is mentioned somewhere in that dream. if there is no time mentioned then it just happens and she doesn't know when) also, when she tries to change the outcome something worse happens instead.

[Demosthenes]

And yes, there obviously is another side of this world, because where would ghosts go?

You're basing this on the existence of ghosts . . . :rolleyes:

If ghosts exist, why do you think that they would need to live "on the other side?"


As for evidence, no one has any evidence to fully support their claim at the time it is proposed. And if you wanna talk about evidence, then where is your evidence that there is no such thing as ESP?

Okay, here's the deal with that statement. When you make such a preposterous, controversial, outrageous statement, it is your job to prove it to me, not my job to disprove it. However, I have provided enough evidence to why ESP can not exist in the form you are talking about in my previous posts. Which part do you not understand?

Even if I did have evidence, would you look at it seriously, or go, "That's impossible." and never think about it again. Even if I had all the evidence in the world, people would still disagree. Just like there is no evidence to support Jesus, God, or the fact that 2 people created the whole world, yet they had 2 sons....

If you had evidence, I would certainly consider it. However, it would need to be credible evidence, not "Because I've done it." If that's your reason then it is far more likely that you are schizophrenic than you possessing superhuman telepathic abilities.

I guess what I am trying to say is that theories don't need evidence to be true, just a belief that it is possible.

A belief alone does not make a theory true in any way, sense, or fashion.

Until it is absolutely positivly proven that telepathy and other psychic abilitys are a figment of the imagination, then people, as well as I, will continue to believe that it does exist.

You can go ahead and believe it, that doesn't mean it's not absurd. Anyway, you were claiming that it does exist, not that you believe it exists.

As for research to discover psychic abilitys, people are going about it all wrong.

And you would be an expert in this field? Do you know how researchers are going about to finding it? Can you better their methods? If not, then I don't think it's your place to claim whether a method that a researcher uses is good or bad. What makes you such an expert on this topic?

In this day and age, technology is all mighty and if technology can explain it, then it must be true, and if not, then it is false.

I don't think AI is quite sophisticated enough to start explaining things to humans quite yet. Technology hasn't explained a damn thing to me.

People are trying to analyze it through a scientific nature, but it is either not gonna happen or take an extremely long time.

Why?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The person dying part, I said they see the person. And if you have seen anyone on thier deathbed, you would know that even if they WANTED to call someone to say goodbye, they wouldn't be able to.

What? I didn't fully understand your above paragraph, can you rephrease please.

you know, i just remembered something. i have a friend who sometimes has dreams of a certain person dying, and a short time later, the person she sees dies in the same way that she saw at the same time(provided the time is mentioned somewhere in that dream. if there is no time mentioned then it just happens and she doesn't know when) also, when she tries to change the outcome something worse happens instead.

OOH, OOH, I know this movie.

[sciencekid]

dude, im just restating what she told me, im in no way fabricating what she said nor did i get this from any movie. she may be on the other hand fabricating this. i have no way to tell. im just telling you what she said.

[Demosthenes]

What movie did she get it from?

[sciencekid]

that's the thing, i don't know if she did or not and its too late to ask. sides she might get offended if i ask and it turns out that she didn't get it from any movie, like i said: i have no way to tell

[sue_13]

Final Destination correct?

[Willkillforfood]

The last I had heard of there had been research that supports that there is something we do not understand between certain individuals. Some sort of stimulation some people (perhaps all) can give each other without using our traditional 5 senses. Telepathy or something else, who knows ...anyways, I doubt that can predict the future if that's what your friend claimed, lol.

[sciencekid]

on the other hand, if there is a "higher being" then maybe he/she/it gave her a vision of them dying. and before you ask, i don't know the reason why he/she/it might do such a thing

[Willkillforfood]

Perhaps. Or maybe it's just a random action created by the system designed by the higher being *shrugs* Who knows. I do actually believe in a higher power but I was just going along with the research these scientists were doing on the science channel, lol.