wooohooo ive started my V/t!

[s7oLi]

knowing me, i whipe my ass and i post in on th forums hehe :grin:

just to be sure, should i follow this?

SKILLS:
20-smite
20-holy shield
20-fanaticism

***The above are to be max-ed first CONTARY TO WHAT YOU MAY BELIEVE***

1+conviction (highly advised to be level 1)
FoH/holy shock- all available points left (must be the same level)
Optional: 1vigor, 1 meditation

[Sovereign]

Yes, btw I didnt put any into vigor or meditation. I put one into resist lightning though, just in case i get caught off guard i turn it on and it saved my ass from lite attacks.

In place of vigor, just use charge. It might desynch the game, but let them cry and worry about it.

[wilma]

knowing me, i whipe my ass and i post in on th forums hehe :grin:

Why are you so proud of that?

Neway, yah it looks right. gj i never had the patiences to make one.

[s7oLi]

Yes, btw I didnt put any into vigor or meditation. I put one into resist lightning though, just in case i get caught off guard i turn it on and it saved my ass from lite attacks.

In place of vigor, just use charge. It might desynch the game, but let them cry and worry about it.

damn right lol!

[s7oLi]

w00t im lvl 15 lol... :eek:

takes so fuckimg long to get from 1-24 man lol

[Sovereign]

Leveling will always be a problem for you. Long and boring, as you cant kill anything -.-

[DamonGalos]

I've started one as well as some might have guessed from another post of mine as Ive never used on in pvp. Related to my "road rage thread" though just now I took the little untwinked level 18 V/t (more like just a V as he cant use FoH yet) and trounced some level 42 elemental druid who thought he was being funny by killing all the llds. Took him completely by surprise and I don't think he knew what hit him. All in all I was worried about the relatively low damage but so far... yep ...it works. (well that its easier to kill other players and bosses than it is to kill a swarm of monsters) One thing I have noticed is my range seems off sometimes. I'll swing but hit nothing but air and I'm using a range 2 weapon..odd.

Anyways I did have a question about conviction. Do people really use it? I know it works wonders on resists but it seems a lot to put into for prereqs when I'd already be lowish on points for FoH and its synergy after maxing holy shield, smite, and fanaticism. Would just a crescent moon phase blade and some lightning facets in a shield (or in helm or wherever) on the switch be enough?

[Sovereign]

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

With my skil setup convic lowers res by 85 or 90%, I forget. Then remember there is the hell penalty of -100 res. That makes 185-190 resistance they have to have to BREAK 0. They need another 75 ress for max res (assuming there are no + to max lite res gear on), so that makes it a total of 250-255 res they have to have to get max res and make your foh do little dmg. Making them put on their 4 ptopaz'd shields or tgods or whatever will give you an advantage. I mean to put on tgods alone a barb has to sac 40 vita and 15 dr! (assuming hes wearing p dungos).

Bleh im tired so i might have strayed off track, but yes, you DO need it.

[s7oLi]

sovs wuts ur V/t's gear setup considering you have one and hes obviously good lol?

[Sovereign]

USING:
Ber'd Shako
Ber'd Up'd Hoz
Light Plate Enigma
40/15 Dungos
5%LL Bk Ring.
P maras
+4 Astreons (shael)
10x pcombats
9x 20 life sc's
3/6/x cta
Anni
Raven Frost
Bloodfists

IN STASH:

Lacerator
Silence Phase
Lo/3x ptopaz shield
4x psapphire shield
Nokozan
Hotspurs
Snowclash
Tgods
2x wisps
Carrions

I think that's it.

[s7oLi]

damn i keep like wanting to puss out of making my V/t lol omfg what is wrong with me! maybe its cuz i like casters so much and i cant stop picturing me trying to smite sum pusser uberfast tele sorc while she orbs me lol

[Sovereign]

V/t's are anti caster. Silence + psapphire shield + dual raven + snowclash + maras = useless sorc, especially when they are orb. Just charge lock them.

[s7oLi]

V/t's are anti caster. Silence + psapphire shield + dual raven + snowclash + maras = useless sorc, especially when they are orb. Just charge lock them.

well that definetly helps me, but wut about those goddamned evil windy druids lol :cry: they tele on me then cast tornado i dead hehe :cry:

wut hsould i do againsts them?

oh ya and when should i be using FOH? i was kidna thinking of replacing FOH with hammers but i dunno...

[Sovereign]

Don't replace the god damn foh. Its good for people who run, or barbs who ww for like 10 mins. Sometimes they click on the opposite side of the screen and they ww a huge line, just foh them till they come back. Besides, blessed hammers don't do enough dmg unless they are maxed and use concentration.

Most wind druids are idiots. They will use lidless and have no where near max block. I can kill a lot of them by charge locking them. the ones that do have max block summon wolves and a grizzley. If you're in the mood to actually try, use foh to pick off their summons. Of course, they will just resummon but it will piss them off. Less you have a way of name locking them, dont attack them with charge or smite though. Even with my gear setup they still do massive dmg.

Btw, if you go up against a wind druid, before you go in to your kamakazie charge/smite attack (if it fails, your dead, if it wins, G_G) foh that fucking sage. W/O it, druids who uses ss and have max block dramatically lose hp, putting them at a great disadvantage. Of course, they will just tele off and recast eveyrthing, but again, it'll annoyin them. If worst comes to worst, charge around till they run out of mana. Let them cry that you ran, ask them "did I die? No? YOu couldnt kill me? Shut the fuck up".

[s7oLi]

thnx for keepin me with th V/t sov, btw i fuckin love the way u think lol.

[s7oLi]

aye how much dex should i have for max block? 50? i plan on using an up'd hoz and having holy shield maxed btw.

[Sovereign]

Max block depends on your characters level. Vangosroth is lvl 90, and has 125 dext or so atm for max block.

http://zelaron.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3372

[s7oLi]

thnx, so far this guy is pretty damn kewl

[mehatesAA]

V/t's are anti caster. Silence + psapphire shield + dual raven + snowclash + maras = useless sorc, especially when they are orb. Just charge lock them.

lol with that setup most characters are also anti sorc.

[DamonGalos]

Hey here's a question... I know a lot of stuff doesn't add to smite as far as damage goes and I know traditionally people max fanatacism for the IAS and damage (the ar is useless to smite really). But do other auras work in conjunction with smite as far as added damage goes if you can make the 6fps breakpoint another way? Say for instance.....holy freeze or holy shock instead of fanatacism?

[s7oLi]

Hey here's a question... I know a lot of stuff doesn't add to smite as far as damage goes and I know traditionally people max fanatacism for the IAS and damage (the ar is useless to smite really). But do other auras work in conjunction with smite as far as added damage goes if you can make the 6fps breakpoint another way? Say for instance.....holy freeze or holy shock instead of fanatacism?

um i think concentration but dont pin me to it lol

[tidus2005]

while concentration would work fanat is much better because it gives ias and alot more damage. and unless i am mistaken smite is uninteruptable and so you would not gain any thing from using concentration except less damage. as far as holy freeze and shock go i dont think that they add thier damage to smite, but i am not sure on that once.

[Sovereign]

Awsome, have fun having a 1k dmg melee attack or ww. Zon's don't have enough res to begin with to be any problem. Necros can go full sorb but itll fuck up their build, and make them slow as fuck. Also note that the shields i Use come with a +xx to resists as it is. Also remember that the paladin has a charge attack. He can blindly charge through all that shit while any other char class has to tele. Sure any other class could negate the sorcs attack, but very few could catch up to them.

As a side note, I rarely have to use this setup. Usually a raven , snowclash and max res will do.

[Sovereign]

Holy freeze smiters are incredibly bm, and people hate them. In smite vs smite dueles, if holy freeze gets turned on, I guarentee you the guy will go back and get some of his own bm gear on, or get another char and nk you.

With using fanat, you gain many advantages. You gain the AR. Believe it or not, this is somewhat important on a v/t. When charging someone, you still need that ar to hit. Again, it's not a big diff but its a help. It also adds to your charge dmg when you're wacking those bitchead lidless chars. IMHO, if you are not using fanat as your main aura, you must have a beast. That will give you it's own lvl 9 fanat. Not as good as the lvl 30 that I use, but meh!

There is a case in which I see holy shock working. If you made a v/T instead of a V/t, as holy shock is an foh synergy. Since smite is your secondary move, you wont be relying on it too much anyway. But to do this, you need to have a slightly different gear setup then mine, to do more foh dmg. Remember though, holy shock dmg is elemental, and since that is so, it can be sorbed and resisted. And since they know you're more foh then smite, they probably will be pumping up the lite res as it is.

Hope that helped, I just woke up :X, might not be makign sence yet.

[Sovereign]

Concintration = no no. I checked, at level 20 fanat has more dmg.

[DamonGalos]

Incredibly BM yes. Though I never understood really why HF was considered BM when few other "broken" and abused skills are as well, especially given its just a normal skill rather than some strange item beast-type item adding another aura or....the often used enigma teleport (which is also considered BM in some circles I know). But thats a debate I'm not really wanting to go into at this time and its a pretty arbitrary line with a multitude of opinions.

Actually the reason why I'd be thinking of not doing HF (or HS for that matter) the more I think about it was not just the BM thing but also the fact that to synergize it properly and make it effective damage-wise (as opposed to fanatacism that doesn't need the synergy to pump out the damage) would just be far too many points. I'm not sure the slow effect would even be worth it sacrificing that much damage especially when it doesnt affect casting speed among other things...but it'd be a list of pros and cons at that point. Six of one half dozen of another go with something that would get you more respect right? ;-) Besides I already put a pt into concentration to get to fanatacism so I'm committed.

Here's another question since again I've never made a V/t before so my experience is little when it comes to this build. Wouldn't pumping 20 into FoH be better than 10 FoH 10 HS like the guide and so many others suggest? If Im using conviction as the aura for FoH casting and the synergy doesnt give as much damage to the FoH as a "hard point" then why would I pump points at all into it?


(and yes Concentration at level 20 is less damage than Fanatacism at level 20.)

[Sovereign]

Simple answer, it's the same reason why stacking res is considered bm. It makes people cry. They whine, bitch and moan that their build is now useless. With holy freeze, any character that depends on IAS gets fucked. Personally, it pisses me off when someone holy freezes me, but oh well. To me anything goes.

For a V/t, holy freeze isn't really a means of damage. The dmg caused by the aura is minimal and easily negated by the use of snowclash or something. Unless you synergise it of course, but then, I guarentee you you won thave an effected holy freeze, smite, or foh.

The damage for a lvl 12 foh, synergized with a lvl 12 holy shock is 745-837 as checked on my v/t. (I dropped all + skill items on ground). Now check the arreat summit. http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/paladin-combat.shtml#fistoftheheavens . At level 20 foh, you arent even doing the same damage as the level 12 synergized foh. Now add the massive + skills you get from gc's and gear. You will actually do MORE DMG by synergizing foh with an equal level holy shock then if you just maxed foh.

[DamonGalos]

The damage for a lvl 12 foh, synergized with a lvl 12 holy shock is 745-837 as checked on my v/t. (I dropped all + skill items on ground). Now check the arreat summit. http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/paladin-combat.shtml#fistoftheheavens . At level 20 foh, you arent even doing the same damage as the level 12 synergized foh. Now add the massive + skills you get from gc's and gear. You will actually do MORE DMG by synergizing foh with an equal level holy shock then if you just maxed foh.


Agreed with the whine and the ineffective damage part after synergies regarding HF.

I checked on a planner that's always been accurate for me in the past and it seems the FoH you posted for a 12/12 is a little high....maybe you had a facet still on or something else that added like a charm?

Anyways if i took those 24 pts (from 12 foh and 12 HS) and did FoH 20 and HS 4 instead I still seem to be getting higher than even what you're posting (864-928 with no items or charms). That and synergies only count to "hard points" and not +skills. So a 12 in HS is still a 12 to synergize even if the effective aura is an ungodly 35 after plus skills.

I double checked it on a separate skill calculator in case the program had a bug and its giving me the exact same numbers as follows (only posting foh lit damage for ease of reading):

HS: 12
FoH: 12 (690-781)
_________________
HS: 4
FoH: 20 (864-928)

I don't know. Somehow this seems like the correct numbers to me.

[Sovereign]

Typo. Meant lvl 13 foh, lv 12 holy shock.

Now check lvl 47 foh with lvl 4 holy shock. Compare that to lvl 40 foh, and lvl 12 holy shock. There should be a difference, if not the guide that blck made needs to be modified.

[DamonGalos]

Typo. Meant lvl 13 foh, lv 12 holy shock.

Now check lvl 47 foh with lvl 4 holy shock. Compare that to lvl 40 foh, and lvl 12 holy shock. There should be a difference, if not the guide that blck made needs to be modified.


Good call. I played around with it some more. Turns out once you get to a +18 to skills point the 12-12 overtakes the 20-4 in damage and that discrepancy increases the higher you go. I'm sure that number may be slightly fluid depending on exactly how many points you are able to allocate to those skills but perhaps a note should be made in the guide because poorer players who won't be able to afford as many skill charms would be better served making it the other way and maxing FoH while richer players (or those who are willing to suffer until they can make it to +18) will want to do a 12-12. Simple mathematics if I had stopped to think about how synergies work exactly.

[s7oLi]

shit this is my most popular thread yet lol! woohoo!