Zelaron Clan

[Demosthenes]

Is there one? If not, I propose making one.

There is no reason why Zelaron can't be one of the most powerful clans out on the internet. We have a fairly large base of members, but no so large as to where the number becomes overwhelming. We have some pretty skilled D2 players, as well as generous D2 players. I know this has been talked about before previously, but I think that it's important that if we do decide to implement this idea, then those who join the clan take this seriously.

Why make a clan?

That's a fair question. First off, when you play with a group of people that you know or like then the game usually become more fun. I know many of the D2 players here play together already, so why not formally unify ourselves and become a clan? It would make the game more fun to play, it would probably make the game easier to play when we have a large support group, and on top of that, I think we can make trading easier, if you listen to my next idea. I suggest that we set up a clan economy, seperate from the rest of the D2 world. I believe that is an original idea, and if implemented correctly, it can be mutually beneficial to everyone who is in the clan.

I also suggest that we make all members equal. There will be no ranking of members. Ranking members always creates discord in clans. The only "special positions" I suggest are moderator, regulator, treasurer, and the COT. I will go into detail of what each of the special people do later.

How and why would we set up an economy?

Well, I know that there is no official currency in D2, so everything relies on bartering, and trading. Trading can get tedious, especially with the plethora of immature kids on D2. I suggest that we introduce a formal currency into our clan, and try to keep trade within the clan as much as possible.

It will be the treasurer's job to come up with a currency, and go through and assign seperate items a number value based on that currency. I suggest that our currency and items be worth about as much as they would be outside the clan, otherwise I think our economy will fail. Once the treasurer has decided on a currency, it will be the job of our members to try and keep trade inside the clan as much as possible. It would also be best for our members to try and keep the prices that they sell at as close to the value that the treasurer has set. This will allow this idea to take off. I'm not saying you have to cut off trade with the outside completely, I'm just saying that it would be best if you try to trade with people inside the clan first.

I also suggest starting our own 'bank,' also a responsibility of the treasurer. If you need currency, you trade in your item with the treasurer. To be able to maintain a bank, I suggest that we implement a small tax, paid every week or so, also decided by the treasurer; but it should be approved by the members as well. This tax is what will keep the bank and economy going. One important duty of the bank will be to help newer D2 players, and people who have had their items stolen. I can expand on this idea more in the morning if you would like me to.

Requirements to get into the clan:

1.) You must have at least a hundred (exact number subject to change) posts at Zelaron, and have been a Zelaron member for at least a month. This will gurantee that new members don't just sporadically decide to join and leave the clan and take advantage of it.

2.) You must be willing to pay the tax.

3.) You must be willing to follow all rules.

Responsibilities of the treasurer:

As stated above, the treasurer will be in charge of maintaining the bank and assigning values to items. He will collect taxes. He will be probably the most important person to geting this idea going. I say we make a moderator, or trusted member at this board. My suggestion is either Volls, BlackshdwDragon, or Sov. The treasurer will be treasurer as long as he would like to be, and does his job sufficiently. He can be overthrown if an overwhelming majority of our members (say 4/5 of them) don't like what he's doing. He can be impeached if he misuses his powers. The COT will watch the treasurer to make sure he doesn't misuse his powers.

Rules for treasurer:

The treasurer must follow all rules that a regular member would follow. They are not exempt from the tax. They are not allowed to use "money" from the bank. They can only trade it. As stated above, is they do misuse their powers, they can be impeached.

Responsibilites of the Moderator:

The moderator will be in charge of giving D2 players membership, and he will maintain the clan channel. All members must meet all the requisites to be members. The moderator can not simply give someone membership because they are friends with them. They can also expel members if a member consistently misbehaves. The moderator also has a big responsibility, so once again, I suggest that this is either Volls, BlackShdwDragon, or Sov. Moderator keeps his job as long as he likes, or until he breaks the rules.

The moderator must follow all rules that a regular member would. He isn't exempt from taxes. A moderator may be impeached if an overwhelming majority wants it, or if he misuses his powers.

Responsibilities of Regulator:

Discord within clans is usually the downfall of a clan. It's the regulator's job to make sure that all disputes are congenially solved. If two members refuse to agree to any of the regulator's suggestions, then the case will be passed on to the moderator, and the moderator may choose to expel those members. Once again, I reccomend Volls, BlackShdwDragon, or Sov for the job. The regulator will keep his job as long as he likes, or until he breaks the rules.

The regulator must follow all rules that a regular member would. He isn't exempt from taxes. A regulator may be impeached if an overwhelming majority wants it, or if he misuses his powers.

COT:

COT stands for checks on treasurer. His job is to make sure that the treasurer isn't misusing his power. Unlike our previous offices, I suggest that the COT be voted in by the members monthly. No COT should serve two or more consecutive terms. This is to make sure that there is no secret cahoots between the treasurer and the COT.

The COT must follow all rules that a regular member would. He isn't exempt from taxes. A COT may be impeached if an overwhelming majority wants it, or if he misuses his powers.

Duties of Members:

Try to be an honest member. I believe that Zelaron has enough honest people to make most of this clan work based on honesty. It's your duty to help out your fellow members. If a member needs a rush, and you have time on your hands, then go for it. If one of your fellow member's items have been stolen, help them out. If one of your fellow members is being PKd in a game, then go and kick some ass. It's your duty to be a good member. Also, you should try and trade within the clan as much as possible. This will help the clan's economy grow. It's your job to pay the tax. If there is discord amongst two members, you should try to help them out. If there is discord between you and another member of the clan, try and listen to the regulator's advice. Try to stay in the clan channel as much as possible. Most of all, have fun doing this. If you want to leave, it's your choice, just let the moderator know.





That's it, I guess. Tell me what you guys think. How should I change it? Also, if a moderator likes this idea, please say so because there's a much bigger chance of this actually happening if a moderator approves and stickies this idea.

[kbrandz]

I know I don't have 100 posts, but I'd be up for this. It would be nice to have a trusted group to trade with and do baal runs, etc.. with. I've been around here for a while, I just don't post that often.

[`Insolence`]

I love ya mjordan, but this won't work.

I admire you trying it, once again, regardless of the opposition in your way. (morons)

I'll gladly join.

[dam]

I'll join just because trading on bnet sux.....theres some really heavy rip off artists on bnet......you have my committment......I'll rather play in this clan...

d

[Joka69]

Id Join... If After My Inciddent.. U Guys Would Still Let Me Join

[Vollstrecker]

It sounds interesting, but I likely won't be involved in D2 for much longer.

[eellis2132]

i'll join even though i dont have d2 installed right now, but i'll gladly get it up and running.
ins :wave:

btw get at me via aim: eellis2132
easiest way

[Demosthenes]

So none of the mods want to carry through with this?

[Sovereign]

I'll help get it up but I dont want to be a big part of it. My days of clans are over.

[Demosthenes]

I'll help get it up but I dont want to be a big part of it. My days of clans are over.

What about Black, or Insolence? We need a couple of very trusted members to help set it up. After that, I think it would fall into place by itself if we stuck to it. I would take charge of it myself, but I haven't touched D2 in so long.

[Sovereign]

Get it installed. You are by far the most motivated thus far.

[PureRebel]

Ill join, even tho i hate clans, Zelaron is an Exception..

and maybe,, maybe we could have the other forums in it as well, so it isnt only d2..

[Demosthenes]

That would require installing a whole 'nother OS on my computer. And if I decided to do that, I want to make sure that this thing would at least start up, otherwise I'd be pissed if I had to install Windows for nothing.

[Demosthenes]

Ill join, even tho i hate clans, Zelaron is an Exception..

and maybe,, maybe we could have the other forums in it as well, so it isnt only d2..

What do you mean by "other forums."

[PureRebel]

LoL~
(10 char)

[Vollstrecker]

maybe we could have the other forums in it as well,

What are these, "other forums" you speak of? There is only Zelaron. ;)

To be honest, in respect to the idea, I would be inactive considering the game is boring me to death (and I'm poor to boot). I don't play the game much at all, and I will likely quit completely when WoW hits.

[PureRebel]

i mean the other different Game forums in Zel Like StarCraft Etc.

[`Insolence`]

There are about 5 good starcraft gamers on this website, and none of them would join :)

[Randuin]

Wasn't there a Zelaron Clan before but it failed?

[Vollstrecker]

KoZ

I actually saw someone with a KoZ tag on their character a few months ago.

[zagggon]

KoZ

I actually saw someone with a KoZ tag on their character a few months ago.
i was in KOZ, it sucked hard, very inactive, sucky :(

[blckshdwdragon]

i was in KOZ, it sucked hard, very inactive, sucky :(
i was the coleader if u didnt kno, and gsus was inactive as fuck so it came down to me leaving KoZ since Gsus didnt feel like advancing its power, so i quit and joined up with endurack and strengthen EotD, now im seeing a reoccuring path, so i dunno what i will do next.

[ScamAlot]

Sounds good...

[Mydogisyourdog]

Play DoD with me :D

[blckshdwdragon]

nt, im starting to play CnC:Renegade again

[Randuin]

But TacoX was THE leader and he sucked.

[MightyJoe]

Yeah, it seemed like there was enough activity, but yeah not having a leader that visits hurts.

[`Insolence`]

Not having a leader wouldn't hurt that bad... ESPECIALLY in a D2 clan, a dedicated member would naturally step up and take command.

It wasn't active....

[Demosthenes]

Not having a leader wouldn't hurt that bad... ESPECIALLY in a D2 clan, a dedicated member would naturally step up and take command.

It wasn't active....

Zelaron has many great ideas, but hardly any of them ever go through. I suggest giving this noe a shot, but thus far neither mod, nor insolence has expressed much interest in taking charge of the clan. As I said earlier, I'd do it myself, but I don't have Windows installed on my computer, and therefore I can't. (Well, I could, but it's a long, drawn-out process, and my D2 days are behind me) If I did take charge, it would take a lot of work on my part, so I at least want some confirmation that a few others want to take part in this. I was hoping that at our pinnacle we will have around 25 members, and around 10 to start out with.

[Joka69]

i would love to join but id need a char set up... hammerdin perferably... :)

[MightyJoe]

Are you saying you want someone to give you a char? Anyway I don't see why we don't just try to start it up. Also there are enough people that play, or so I think. For the leaders I would have to agree with you,that it really wouldn't matter who was chosen, as long as it was someone known and well liked around here. That might be hard to find, might not. Looking back at the old KOZ forum it seemed like there was a lot of posting at the start then it went downhill. But if we had more people that played it could change. For the leader, MJ, to start with. Or we could do a leading by commitee.

[wilma]

as my days of d2 are drawing to a close (i think), I would be willing to try out a clan (never been in one). If I quit, i wil gladly donate all of my stuff to the cause..........if its still around that is

[dam]

question: if your in a clan dose it matter where you play eg..... softcore/hardcore west/east/europe/asia ?

d

[wilma]

ah that may be our problem. It doesn't mean much if we have 20 people active all the time but only two people in the same realm/core and ladder

[eellis2132]

if we get this going i will be active enough, and ive been a leader/captain for many games, its natural to me, but not alot of ppl on here know me much besides ins

ps: if this is gonna happen, let me know so i can get d2 installed and get a char going

aim: eellis2132

[MightyJoe]

I don't see why we sit around and talk about it, maybe Wetwire can get a forum up for this in the d2 section and we could go from there. So far, I know most play east. I think nl has more members then ladder, but I am not sure.

[Chili_Mamasita]

If somebody could lend a hand and give me a rush on east since i usually play in Tiawanese server, I could help maintain a channel bot and could get a few bots running to contribute items where needed.

[Demosthenes]

Well, OK, I don't know how many mods want to do this. I'm going to become part-moderator for two weeks. I will let people into the clan, and help getting the basics set up. Basically, I will organize it on the forums. I will not be participating in the actual D2 part. If there is some discord in the channels then the regulator will have to let me know if he wants me to take some action.

Before we set this thing to full-throttle, I want a treasurer. Mighty Joe, you seem pretty motivated to getting this thing going. If you want the job, it's yours. Contact me, and we can discuss how to lay the basis of this clan.

After my two week period has expired, I will appoint someone else as moderator if they want a job. If anyone has a better idea, then let me know.

The clan will be a USEast clan.

[kbrandz]

Well, OK, I don't know how many mods want to do this. I'm going to become part-moderator for two weeks. I will let people into the clan, and help getting the basics set up. Basically, I will organize it on the forums. I will not be participating in the actual D2 part. If there is some discord in the channels then the regulator will have to let me know if he wants me to take some action.

Before we set this thing to full-throttle, I want a treasurer. Mighty Joe, you seem pretty motivated to getting this thing going. If you want the job, it's yours. Contact me, and we can discuss how to lay the basis of this clan.

After my two week period has expired, I will appoint someone else as moderator if they want a job. If anyone has a better idea, then let me know.

The clan will be a USEast clan.


Is this going to be ladder or non-ladder?

[Demosthenes]

Is this going to be ladder or non-ladder?

Both, I suppose. I'll get back to you with the basic layout of the clan. I haven't really made a broad plan yet, mainly because I've been away from D2 so long that I probably need to check with someone before I make any d2-related decisions. Otherwise, I would have picked a currency, assigned values, and have this thing already in it's first stages.

[eellis2132]

im gonna get on ladder, and do we have to wear any certain tags?

[Demosthenes]

Like I said, I don't really have the basis of the clan layed out yet, but we'll get to that later. That's almost a frivolous matter at this time. My first instinct to that would be no, though, but I'll leave it up to you guys in the end. Like I said, I'm only helping to get this thing set up. You guys are going to control it.

[eellis2132]

okay... i got on my account... lvl 70 fire sorc.. need help thru hell, msg me on aim, eellis2132

[Demosthenes]

I'm not going to be playing D2. I'm pretty sure that my D2 days are behind me, but you can never be too sure.

[zagggon]

well then wtf you mkae this thread for lmao

[Vollstrecker]

He wanted to see this happen. He's promoting our identity as a group...

[wilma]

He's promoting our identity as a group...

props for that mj

[`Insolence`]

I'll gladly write a PHP script for tournaments or some such.

For money.
(although MJ is a much better programmer)
:D

[zagggon]

This will never happen, when WoW comes out this will just collapse due to lack of leader ship, activity, ending transmission.

[`Insolence`]

WoW sucks... from what I hear atleast, I won't even bother downloading it.

[Demosthenes]

Either way, I'm starting this up. MightyJoe hasn't responded yet. If you want to be treasurer either post here and let me know why you'd be a good treasurer, or PM me.

[Demosthenes]

(although MJ is a much better programmer)
:D

Heh. I wouldn't say that.

Either way, I don't know any PHP at the moment, so when we get this started it would be awesome if you could do that.

[`Insolence`]

I'm busy with a project I'm doing for my favorite teacher... but if I get some free time and I want to, I may.

Otherwise, you'll have to give me lots of money :D

[MightyJoe]

Anyway been at work, but I will im you.

[Demosthenes]

MightyJoe is the official treasurer. I'm hoping we should get this thing going pretty soon.

[MightyJoe]

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33457

Go and vote for it.

[Death]

Im in :)

1 r 73h sp4mz0r

[SlickFic04]

Sounds like MJ has an idea but the more i think about it, the more it sounds like a communist community. Sounds like you are making this an "elite" circle exempt from the rest of the d2 community. Few problems however; people act in their own self interest, the bases of a market economy. Communism is different, u got a group but in this case u got the Treasurer, dictating wats worth what and the tax, oh boy the tax. What are u going to charge? Theres no medium of exchange in D2 (ie MONEY). Dont get me wrong i would like to help u plan out this idea cuz with some good ideas and thinkin anythin is possible. Aight back to my constructive critism. The treasurer is a good idea, im guessin they just hold valubles for people? Thats good stuff now what happens if the bank is robbed (hacked/fucked over by bnet)? Ill tell u what happens, instead of 1 more poor inicent victim of "life sucks" u got 10-20 victims all at once, yikes! One thing i'll be thinkin more of is the problem of a lack of medium exchange. The best example of a good economic system is a market system, but thats based on a medium of exchange. I dont play d2 anymore but last i heard 32020s are the closest thing to money. The best way to do this but this is just a rough idea and is alot easier to say than to be done, eh actually it really wont work but like in America, we make money and dispose of old bills (banks burn old money did u kno that?) so since u wouldnt have old money u wouldnt really do this. But basically someone dupe 32020s and that person/persons would exchange items for them but wtf am i sayin, this doesnt work at all. nvm sorry if i just wasted a minute of ur life from readin that. Let me think more on this obstactle.

[Demosthenes]

Sounds like MJ has an idea but the more i think about it, the more it sounds like a communist community. Sounds like you are making this an "elite" circle exempt from the rest of the d2 community. Few problems however; people act in their own self interest, the bases of a market economy. Communism is different, u got a group but in this case u got the Treasurer, dictating wats worth what and the tax, oh boy the tax. What are u going to charge? Theres no medium of exchange in D2 (ie MONEY). Dont get me wrong i would like to help u plan out this idea cuz with some good ideas and thinkin anythin is possible. Aight back to my constructive critism. The treasurer is a good idea, im guessin they just hold valubles for people? Thats good stuff now what happens if the bank is robbed (hacked/fucked over by bnet)? Ill tell u what happens, instead of 1 more poor inicent victim of "life sucks" u got 10-20 victims all at once, yikes! One thing i'll be thinkin more of is the problem of a lack of medium exchange. The best example of a good economic system is a market system, but thats based on a medium of exchange. I dont play d2 anymore but last i heard 32020s are the closest thing to money. The best way to do this but this is just a rough idea and is alot easier to say than to be done, eh actually it really wont work but like in America, we make money and dispose of old bills (banks burn old money did u kno that?) so since u wouldnt have old money u wouldnt really do this. But basically someone dupe 32020s and that person/persons would exchange items for them but wtf am i sayin, this doesnt work at all. nvm sorry if i just wasted a minute of ur life from readin that. Let me think more on this obstactle.

You bring up some pointes, but all in all it sounds like an OK system to me. My plan is to make a circle that is as independent on itself as possible, while not losing out, and in fact gaining momentum on the rest of the D2 world. My hope in starting an economy is so that we can all trade items at a set price without all this bickering that goes on outside the forums in a mostly immature environement. My plan will make trading more effecient, and it will also hopefully be able to set up some cool things like tournaments within the clan. My hope is that everyone's self-interest will be fulfilled through this clan. Anything that doesn't work can be ammended. Anyone who doesn't like the idea, is of course, free to not join.

The treasurer will be the man in charge of what's worth what, but most of the input that the treasurer makes his decisions on will come from the other members of the clan. Fluctuation in prices, in cases of dupes or other occasions should be taken care of by the treasurer.

I'll leave the treasurer in charge of picking a good password for the bank. If the bank gets hacked or whatever, you are of course free to take out your anger on the treasurer however you want. The bank won't hold any of your personal items, only taxes that have been collected, so if it gets hacked then the community as a whole does lose out, but not severely. It can bre reinstated. And taxes will be minimal, say a pul rune. If that's too steep for members, then they can bring that up, and we will change accordingly.

Don't get turned off by the tax. If it's too high, you're welcome to call for a change. You have to remember though, that my plan is to hopefully help out newcomers, people that have gotten hacked, and set up tournaments. Whatever the bank has collected will eventually get back to you.

Thanks for the few issues you brought up. I'm always up for some constructive criticism. If you have ideas on how to improve upon mine, then please let us know.

[SlickFic04]

To make things efficient in economical ways u might want to consider this. Specialization amongst the members. What i mean is if one member or a few members do constant ball runs, or cow runz or pit runz with no mf and find socketables than they shouldnt have to do any countess runs, someone who does countess runs shouldnt have to do baal runz. Someone who does pindle/meph runs shouldnt do baal or countess, u see what im sayin? Specialization! makes things efficient. Efficient, producing at the lowest costs. so think a lil more on that.

[Demosthenes]

To make things efficient in economical ways u might want to consider this. Specialization amongst the members. What i mean is if one member or a few members do constant ball runs, or cow runz or pit runz with no mf and find socketables than they shouldnt have to do any countess runs, someone who does countess runs shouldnt have to do baal runz. Someone who does pindle/meph runs shouldnt do baal or countess, u see what im sayin? Specialization! makes things efficient. Efficient, producing at the lowest costs. so think a lil more on that.

That's not the point. I'm not trying to create some economic superpower here with a bunch of items. I'm just creating an economy to make it easier for people to trade, and do the other things I mentioned earlier. How people want to MF in their free time is up to them.

[Vollstrecker]

There is no reason why Zelaron can't be one of the most powerful clans out on the internet.

Economy IS power, there is no other way to describe it. The more resources you have at your disposal the possible power you can bring to the table.

Only the most fanatical devoted people are going to make a truly powerful clan.

(Just trying to bring people out of the clouds here)

[Demosthenes]

Economy IS power, there is no other way to describe it. The more resources you have at your disposal the possible power you can bring to the table.

Only the most fanatical devoted people are going to make a truly powerful clan.

(Just trying to bring people out of the clouds here)

Yes, but the intent of the economy is not so the leaders of the clan can become powerful. It's to help out the clan, plan tournaments, etc. Being a respected and powerful clan that people constantly want to join would be great, but that's not the main goal. We're just trying to make it fun, and encourage newcomers to get started with the financial aid provided to them by us.

[Vollstrecker]

Yes, but the intent of the economy is not so the leaders of the clan can become powerful.

Never said anything about the leaders, I was merely referring to the clan in general.

[Sovereign]

Eh. When WoW comes out, I'm debating on what to do with my d2 gearz.

If this clan starts working well, and shows signs of growth by then, I may just donate my gearz to the clan. I'm not rich but hey, its better then nothing.

30 3/20/5's
39 3/20/20's
9 290's
2x Nigma
x/6/x cta
x/3/x cta
160/60 +98 Life
120/45
Up'd Ber'd HoZ
2x 397 edmg Ebotd Cb's
Numerous annis.
10x pcombats.
Ber'd Shako

Stuff like that.

[MightyJoe]

Bullshit your not rich.

[Sovereign]

Ahem. Check out d2jsp? They are offering 60 3/20/20's an item for some things....

[Vollstrecker]

Maybe I will as well. Depends on what I might get on ebay for it.

[SlickFic04]

Hey why dont u just make money? Turn ur fun into a business. I dont play d2 anymore so thats why i cant join the clan otherwise i would but i think my idea could turn ur love of the game into some $$ money cash hoooeez! Like i said thru specialization, and then have a few people be the traders, people who are good at it. Some hard work and some elbow greese and u got a legit business. Maybe if u get rich u can throw the entrepenuer (me) a few hundred dolla billz! lol

[Vollstrecker]

lol

I might do something like that for a while.

[Demosthenes]

I appologize because I'm really busy tonight. If I had time, I would write up everything I want for the clan today, and statr admitting members tomorrow, but I have a crazy amount of homework. I swear to god though, everyone who meets the qualifications and wants to be in will be in by Saturday.

[tidus2005]

just a thought that has come to my attention is that like SlickFic04 said is that the tax would kind of kill specialization. the tax should be like something equivilent not just one item/rune. For example, you said the tax could be a pul rune but what if you dont have a pul rune at the time when the tax is due or what if you do meph runs and only find items.
what i suggest is that the treasurer comes up with a few item equivilents of the tax. And another thing is what would you do with all the pul runes/other tax item of one kind anyway? you said it would be used to help setup tournaments and help new people ect. but atleast to me having 10 or so of the exact same items just doesnt sound logical for trading or even giving away purposes.

[Demosthenes]

just a thought that has come to my attention is that like SlickFic04 said is that the tax would kind of kill specialization. the tax should be like something equivilent not just one item/rune. For example, you said the tax could be a pul rune but what if you dont have a pul rune at the time when the tax is due or what if you do meph runs and only find items.
what i suggest is that the treasurer comes up with a few item equivilents of the tax. And another thing is what would you do with all the pul runes/other tax item of one kind anyway? you said it would be used to help setup tournaments and help new people ect. but atleast to me having 10 or so of the exact same items just doesnt sound logical for trading or even giving away purposes.

If the members follow my plan, and if the bank gets up and going, then hopefully we can use those pul runes to trade for items. There is already a table of equivalents to a pul rune made. Currency would be preferred of course, but if you can't pay the tax I'm sure there is something you could trade for a pul rune. We will find ways to work around any problems we have, just follow the system. Most important is we get this set up. If it works, then good. If not, we can ammend anything that needs to be changed. Like I said, Saturday this should be up and running. Just give me one more day.

[slaynish]

I used to like this game.

This game is a fucking game.

Stop whining about a ' clan '

a ' clan ' will NEVER happen.

[wilma]

well u needn't worry about it, we wouldnt want you anyway :D

[MightyJoe]

Good point with the pul, I was already making a list of comprable items. Guess I will have to hurry up and get it done.

[Sovereign]

OMG! I'm being taxed?

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

[Demosthenes]

I used to like this game.

This game is a fucking game.

Stop whining about a ' clan '

a ' clan ' will NEVER happen.

It's already in place. All that's left for me to do is open it to everyone joining. I need to write a few guidelines, and that's it. Tomorrow, it will be open for registration.

[Demosthenes]

OMG! I'm being taxed?

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

Parliament has virtual representation...

[Sovereign]

I don't give a shit!!!!!

But this may seriously be a problem for me. Nearly ALL my resources have been used up, and I no longer mf... I might have hard time paying it.... (im not giving 3/20's as taxes!)

[Demosthenes]

I'm sure we'll be able to find a way to work around it.

[MightyJoe]

Yeah, the tax has yet to be set in place. Also if we hold a dueling tourney do you think anyone has a shot at you right now?

[Sovereign]

Vollstrecker and Jarren (DarkXsavior)

Ext too,but hes a faggot holy freeze user :weird:

[Blackadder]

when it comes to dueling I am sucky ,I cannt seem to get the chars right and use the right stats at the right time.I`m considering joining so you guys might help me out and see where I am going wrong.

[Demosthenes]

You're free to join if you wish. A thread has been created to sign up.

http://www.zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33496

[Joka69]

can a mod edit this to reduce the size?... or maybe close/reopen it? like with the main facts

[Demosthenes]

There's really no reason to. Everything said in here has been productive. No spam really.

[Joka69]

true.. but i mean damn near 4 pages = good news..? lol a lil long to browse through it all