Build Debate ~Split~

[`Insolence`]

What does it matter panic?

I bet I'm better at d2 then you, do you care, do I care?

I think YOU care, and that's you problem, ease up pal, use something other than a fork to scrap the sand out of your vag.

[Squirt]

I don't really give a shit no, but you "bet" you're better than me. Lets see your builds compare to mine?

[`Insolence`]

I don't play anymore, I'll list off some of my old chars:

Barb (i-throw)

Level 87 (i think)
3.5~k life
6k dmg
65 rw (i think, not sure, but it applied to the clan-honor rules)
42 FHR (not sure..)

Pally

Level 83-4

1600~ life
4k-7k zeal
4 frame
75% block
75% dr
35+ LL (can't remember)
about 800 elemental damage
48% FHR (not sure, again)

Necro

Level 35 bone spirit
1600 life
125 fcr (i think, don't remember if it was 100/125 for the break)
130~ frw
15 Regen

-- Purely for NvN

I had a druid coming, but i quit.. oh well

What do builds matter anyway, I'd like to see you build something yourself, without reading a guide :) (i create all my characters myself, trial and error + studying)

[Vollstrecker]

125 fcr (i think, don't remember if it was 100/125 for the break)

125% is the breakpoint for 9 fpa. It's also the maximum, I believe.

[Squirt]

I haven't read any "guide" but I have written many guides which a lot of people use for MF Sorc, and Bone Necros. So please don't accuse me of stealing others builds.

I made my own build even tho many do the same after researching items/skills from AS.

I mostly use a FO/CL sorc for doing all mfing and solo baal runnning. For my bot I use full Blizzard. For my necro he's pure bone using Enigma, Hoto, CTA, 2 sojs, Cham'd shako, +3 P/B darkforce spawn, Marrowwalk ( for bug, I'm not claiming I found out about the bug, but when it comes to it Why not use it? ) Trang gloves, 27 Mara's, Arachnid Mesh. I have my Bone necro just how I want him and I'd love to duel anyone who's on UsWest LAdder.

[`Insolence`]

You do realize, that you have never actually been in a real duel?

Go sign up for a dueling league, your necro breaks many rules.

(Nothing impressive about your builds, orb + cl is a horrible build btw)

[Squirt]

Actually you're wrong FO/CL is one of the best builds for a sorc for Solo PVM. Also despite the fact I hate fire CL is a much better option. I bet you're another one of those kids who thinks FO/TS still rox. For the dueling part, with the game I never read ANY rules about the proper method of "dueling" nor do I find any information on AS. I duel like this, you bring a char and I bring a char and we will see who has made his char right and who is an idiot. I don't go by rules, infact I couldn't give a shit about rules, I have my fun. Until Blizzard* puts up rules on "proper" dueling I'm going to do it my way. Also are you one of those kids who thinks I'm suppose to have honor in a game? I'm so sick of newbs crying because they get their ass so beat and claim I have no honor. It's a game, and you guys suck. End

[Vollstrecker]

~Thread Split from "Just for Amusement"~

Sorry, that got way too off-topic.

[blckshdwdragon]

Actually you're wrong FO/CL is one of the best builds for a sorc for Solo PVM. Also despite the fact I hate fire CL is a much better option. I bet you're another one of those kids who thinks FO/TS still rox. For the dueling part, with the game I never read ANY rules about the proper method of "dueling" nor do I find any information on AS. I duel like this, you bring a char and I bring a char and we will see who has made his char right and who is an idiot. I don't go by rules, infact I couldn't give a shit about rules, I have my fun. Until Blizzard* puts up rules on "proper" dueling I'm going to do it my way. Also are you one of those kids who thinks I'm suppose to have honor in a game? I'm so sick of newbs crying because they get their ass so beat and claim I have no honor. It's a game, and you guys suck. End

rules sharpen ur skills as a dueler i have LEARENED this from the acclaimed pvp-legit/gimmeitam (of 09) where the most POPULAR and strongest duelers of west were at, i could name some of the few i have dueled with like Drew/food, jil/cold/coldbird etc, being cheap is NOT considered being the best or even good at dueling, dueling fair is, if any of these ppl were NOT to be restricted in anyway better find a bed pan to sit on b4 u shit in your pants/shorts/skirt
(following league rules = you become better at dueling = wtf im trying to say)

[Squirt]

rules sharpen ur skills as a dueler i have LEARENED this from the acclaimed pvp-legit/gimmeitam (of 09) where the most POPULAR and strongest duelers of west were at, i could name some of the few i have dueled with like Drew/food, jil/cold/coldbird etc, being cheap is NOT considered being the best or even good at dueling, dueling fair is, if any of these ppl were NOT to be restricted in anyway better find a bed pan to sit on b4 u shit in your pants/shorts/skirt
(following league rules = you become better at dueling = wtf im trying to say)

I hate to say it but you must be a major idiot, I at least know `Insolence` isn't, but he does assume a lot. I couldn't give a shit about rules, and if you're calling me "cheap" than you're just another faggot. People like you call me cheap because you can't afford the gear I use. Blizzard has never once said using these items isn't allowed in duels, it merely states you having the ability. Real duelers can duel in pub games. I have done tournament tho, owned all you faggots, stupid rules, "only 1 absorb item" blah blah blah, You know those rules are just made up from some shit head who can't handle fair dueling ( which is using your own strat and your OWN set up after researching AS ) So all you can suck me off

[zagggon]

Dun worry panic, if you knew what insolence is like in real life, you would feel sorry for him....:)

[`Insolence`]

Zagggon, I am 3 years older than you? :) Beat down any day.

Panic, dueling with other classes skills = cheating.

Isn't that simple?

Blizzard doesn't even endorse PvP, they could care less smart guy. People duel in these leagues to get away from cheap pvp'ers like you. I could just make a bot with a hammerdin and telearound to the closest hostiled char and cast a bunch of hammers, would that be fair?

Blckshdwdragon knows what he's talking about, YOU, on the otherhand, are a total newb to actual dueling. Dueling shouldn't be about items, but sadly it is, go duel some of the hardcore buggers why don't ya, and see if that is fair?

[blckshdwdragon]

LMFAO league gear costs like 100X ur shitty gear dumb stfu u kno shit about leagues go vs one and get the shit beaten out of u, as far as anyone sucking u off i would bite w/e u got their wether it be a 1/2incher or 1mm one say bye bye to it cuz ill spit it out and smash it to pieces with ur skull

league duelers are for pros, ur gear isnt anywhere near mine, for instance my nec has a +3 pb skills, +3 bone spirit, +1 bone spear heiropant trophy 2 socket'ed with 2x jah > all ur accounts, nuff said, ur nothing

[Squirt]

Lmfao, keep thinking that, anything that has to do with runes is DIRT cheap , are you too stupid to grasp that? Wow maybe if there wasn't a rune dupe that fucked up the currency I'd think a bit better, but I have dueled with pros and leagues.. Ever heard of The Amazon Basin? You guys assume way too much, just shows what ass's you are.

[dam]

if ones gear is such a big problem why dont u just fight without gear. this should even all ur problems.....(just a thought)

[SlickFic04]

Ok i not on anyones side here but why dont u 3 just duel eachother if u guys got so much beef, or which i think is the most fair, do rock paper sissors shoot? lol jk LIGHTEN UP guys its only a game, no need to get ur panties in a bunch.

[`Insolence`]

I don't play any more, THAT's why.

Black plays west, panic plays east (i think)

Panic, you show me all the 2 socket +3 bs/bs shield you got.. k?

[Squirt]

I don't play any more, THAT's why.

Black plays west, panic plays east (i think)

Panic, you show me all the 2 socket +3 bs/bs shield you got.. k?

I play west actually, I don't care all about items to be honest. I am fine with the weapons I use. Blizzard gave us the ability to use others skill in 1.10 to balance out the fairness in PVP. Before Ranged attacks had a huge advantage over Melee, now that isn't so. But I do agree certain skills are too powerful. Bone necros who take advantage of the marrowwalk bug, are one, Hammerdins are the other. Sorcs are pretty screwed now. Fire is easily stopped, lightning too, Blizzard is the only difficult one, but all you have to do is put on a 4 sock monarch ( 160 cold shield ). FoH pallys are pretty powerful now, but once again all you need is a 4 sock monarch and tgods, and walla absorb hsi dmg, even in hell. Second WW's sin's are very powerful duel to the combination of Venom+Open wounds, but Trap Sin's are very weak now. Wind druids are very powerful, also so are rabie druids if they get a hit ) Most people think barbs were screwed in 1.10, but a decent barb using botd ( with both hands against a caster shield is usless ) also using enigma, can kill any necro unless he's a very good teleporter. zealots are basicly usless now, most pallys are going smite with doom against zealots. Who have I missed, hmmm... Zons! Bowzons get owned by Bow Pallys haha, ( thx 2 ward bow and fanta ). Javazons are doing mega dmg, but it's very easily absorbed. I have spent a lot of time making builds, right now I think the best! mf char is a hammerdin, but too bad most bots are going sorc only! Oh well, I'll duel any of you on Ladder SC West. I couldn't care if you do have better items than me, I bet I'll still own you.

[`Insolence`]

Wow, stop making a fool of yourself...

Blizzard balanced the skills for PvM, they could CARE LESS about PvP, that's why you need to initiate rules for serious PvP.

Teleporting hammerdin, using a d2hackit module to teleport right up to you, like autoaim, how do you beat that?

How is it fair for a barb to go against a tping necro with unresistable damage?

How is it fair for a tping necro, to duel a blizzard sorc with 1-2 hit killers (hardly resistable)?

Please answer ALL of my questions, and don't dodge them and spit some shit up like you did in your last post (you saying items are all that matters, then changing your mind)

[Squirt]

Lmfao, 99% of the population on d2 is pk. They balanced it mainly for pk. Ranged attackers had too much of an advantage against melee. I don't see how it's fair for a necro to be able to bone prison, and run away while shooting out a million BS. Giving the pally teleport is a good balance and giving the pally a better chance to have a fair duel. Blizzard knows PVP is what dominates on d2, not PVM. But fair legit dueling isn't crying that someone wears better items than you, and what not. It's taking advantage of what blizzard gives you. I'm sorry you have to cry because people don't duel how YOU want them to lmfao. I have been beaten by certain duelers who don't wear the items I do. But I think skill and items really work well together. I don't think it's all about items, but i do think it's about knowing how to properly USE the items you have.

[HandOfHeaven]

Not really, consider in hmmmm hardcore??? Dumbass, some ppl still are just starting out and don't want to duel cuz they think all their items will fall out. I agree with everyone else, your dueling tactics are cheap. Even HAMMERDINS are cheap, but once you give them tele they are almost unstoppable. It's like my old smiter that could take down any zon in the west in 1.09, but I have indeed quit. And as for gear, my pally has been only beaten by a zon, cuz it was my friends. He had an ias jeweled sheild helm, and armor, and attacked sooo fast you wouldn't believe it. Panic, don't even try to win this arguement, because you are wrong. You want real dueling, go to battle.net forums and they have dueling games every now and then. So fuck you, ...

[Squirt]

uh I do go 2 battle.net forums and duel in those games, so stfu? Only one a couple people have beat me there, Inko, and Charging.

[`Insolence`]

...we say go one place, with respected duelers who follow rules to balance gameplay.
You say go to a place full of morons (not saying some leagues arent) that have apparently no rules? Gravy..

Give up, you lost.

[HandOfHeaven]

Take the dildo thermometer out of your ass, you're done panic. Up a creek with out a paddle. In bed wit a chick without a boner. You have lost, divinity shall crush your face in and wipe your blood from the floor with your own carcass while poking out your eyeballs and singing sweet dreams (marilyn manson version) and the acolytes will burneth up thy corpse with holy fire from the heavens. How you like that? biatch

[Luhizot]

hmm .. I can pwn u both (Insolence and Panic) with my assassin :)

heheh .. just kidding ... BUT .. if u wanna try :)

[Squirt]

Yea I must admit Sin's can own my Necro hard, for the very reason, teleport, ww, ( one hits drains 2k life open wounds venom ) and to top it all off you can block magic, woohoo. I'm making a sin right now tho. She's gonna use Eth Tuc, Chaos, Bramble, I still haven't completely decided on the rest. There's so many good items now. Are you west or east ladder or non ladder Luhizot.

Also, I use to follow rules, bot that got too boring. I didn't lose you did. Blizzard gave balance to pvp with such runewords making it fair for melee to go against ranged. Give up, you lost.

[blckshdwdragon]

Lmfao, keep thinking that, anything that has to do with runes is DIRT cheap , are you too stupid to grasp that? Wow maybe if there wasn't a rune dupe that fucked up the currency I'd think a bit better, but I have dueled with pros and leagues.. Ever heard of The Amazon Basin? You guys assume way too much, just shows what ass's you are.

look whos talking dipshit i dont play nOObazon, try finding me in temple dick fuck or in NvN, and u assume shit as well, theres only 1 way to get THE GOSU gear numb nutz shit like what i got u couldn't afford EVER, btw i im in the catagory of the such of "pro/league" try the presitgious GI or temple, just by the way u say and explain shit ur skill is NO where near that of a pro, just abou ever pro knows how to get rich either from dupes/mass trading while ripping nubs like u off, shows what a SIMPLE minded person u are, ur just some hobo on the street to me im in the process of making a new sorc sc ladder wait until im 80ish (20 atm, started 1 hr ago) we will see who can back up their words, time to keep my hands on 'print screen' i was once like u panic a senseless dick fuck that needs to learn his place, then i got into gi - a whole diff lvl THE BEST AND ONLY THE BEST EVER MADE IT THERE, not like some ignorant fuck like u

[Squirt]

look whos talking dipshit i dont play nOObazon, try finding me in temple dick fuck or in NvN, and u assume shit as well, theres only 1 way to get THE GOSU gear numb nutz shit like what i got u couldn't afford EVER, btw i im in the catagory of the such of "pro/league" try the presitgious GI or temple, just by the way u say and explain shit ur skill is NO where near that of a pro, just abou ever pro knows how to get rich either from dupes/mass trading while ripping nubs like u off, shows what a SIMPLE minded person u are, ur just some hobo on the street to me im in the process of making a new sorc sc ladder wait until im 80ish (20 atm) we will see who can back up their words, time to keep my hands on 'print screen' i was once like u panic a senseless dick fuck that needs to learn his place, then i got into gi - a whole diff lvl THE BEST AND ONLY THE BEST EVER MADE IT THERE, not like some ignorant fuck like u

Honestly, I do not have the time right now to spend fighting with a 9 year old. I'm not going to read all your bullshit but put a simple post. You are all about saying what items you have, and blah blah blah, how you are so elite blah blah blah. PROVE IT. For one you seem to be 99% items than skill, by your attitude. Prove you're good you stupid ape.

[blckshdwdragon]

...Also, I use to follow rules, bot that got too boring. I didn't lose you did. Blizzard gave balance to pvp with such runewords making it fair for melee to go against ranged. Give up, you lost.

ur such an idiot if anything 1.10 FAVORS CASTERS, notice the recent surge of wind druids/fball sorc/blizz sorc/NECROS/hammerdins, ALL CASTERS, nOOb get the facts straight, if anything RW's gave all casters mobility to become more powerfull, PVP has become UNBALANCED b/c no melee class can truly use Life leech which IMO was essential to their survival in PVP, seeing how its nerfed and yet u say "Blizzard gave balance to pvp with such runewords making it fair for melee to go against ranged..." is pointless no melee will survive any onslaught of tornados/fball/blizz/bs/hammers, no melee will ever beat a skilled 09 NvN dueler NO MATTER WHAT

[`Insolence`]

Blizzard cares NOTHING about PvP, that's why it's so unbalanced moron.

People flock to these leagues to find a fair game, you will not find a good PvP'er who doesn't want to join a league like these, for the simple fact that people like YOU are ruining the game.

You believe using other characters skills is fair? If tping assasins own you, what will tping hammerdins do to you?

BTW - last I read, you only got owned by 2 people, but you say assasins own you all the time? Where do you duel.. 'Low Level Duelzz' ?

Ever seen a .09 league dueler? All of the best items, all of the best stats.. you saw 11 LL 100+ ar 20+ dual stat rings commonly in these crowds.

[blckshdwdragon]

Honestly, I do not have the time right now to spend fighting with a 9 year old. I'm not going to read all your bullshit but put a simple post. You are all about saying what items you have, and blah blah blah, how you are so elite blah blah blah. PROVE IT. For one you seem to be 99% items than skill, by your attitude. Prove you're good you stupid ape.

if u cant read my post then u are considered retarded cuz of ur inability to comprehend reasoning, you are a hippocrit for saying that, read your own fucking posts YOU brought it up, i will prove it and when i do i will post it here dipshit

[Sovereign]

Cease the name calling IMMEDIATLY please.

[blckshdwdragon]

Cease the name calling IMMEDIATLY please.

Thou will not be ignored, I subside to the word of the mod, cuz i do have a sense of decency to do so :jjang: :cyborg: :=

[Gsus]

lol, let em fight, its like d2 flaming,..... ammusing.

[HandOfHeaven]

Very amusing at that. Insolence, didn't they stop spawning those dual stats and ll/ml rings a long time ago, say in 1.08? I'm just saying they probably got them from there, but sure if they spawned those in 1.09. Any 1.09 person could win a duel cuz they had gay 40hex lvl 99, wring, wgloves, and all the other shitty stuff. Oh yay, I don't feel complied to come back to the game. WOOT!

[`Insolence`]

They stop spawning, unless you crafted em :)

I played east, in a league, pretty sure no one had bugged items (.08 dupes and shit, that's all)

[Squirt]

I left becuase of the hacks in .09 but I heard Wizrings still exist is that true?

[HandOfHeaven]

I left becuase of the hacks in .09 but I heard Wizrings still exist is that true?

No, all whites and hacked items were deleted in the 1.10 patch, but soon people will find a way to get them again, along with iths too.

[`Insolence`]

I left becuase of the hacks in .09 but I heard Wizrings still exist is that true?

You leave because of these, we duel in leagues because of these, NOW do you understand what we are saying?

[Squirt]

No I don't actually. Hacks yes, I don't agree with them. But now in 1.10 blizzard gave new LEGIT items. There are many leagues that allow you to use Enigma, and legit 1.10 items. So you're point isn't competely true. Now I do understand however certain leagues ( most ) completely ban enigma, and items like it. Back when you mentioned a hamerdin teleporting on you, using a d2hackit module now I don't think that's fair, but the hammerdin teleporting is. I've beaten an enigma hammerdin using a zealot. The very reason I made my necro is to kill all the people who pissed me off when I was using my Zealot.

[`Insolence`]

Show me the leagues.

Then you should have mentioned that is why you were pvping with it a hacker killer...

[Vollstrecker]

Ok, there are a few things in this thread I think need cleared up...

Ok, FIRST of all, there is a difference between Dueling and PvP. Dueling is the engagement between two teams, usually predetermined and along with furnished rules that all must abide by.

PvP is merely player vs. player combat. Most "dueling" games you enter are just actually PvP games, where it's basically a free-for-all.

The difference is, is that the rules are necessary in a real duel to keep things balanced. Like, if you know you're going up against a Templar, you're going to do like Panic said and stack serious Lightning Resistance and Lightning Absorb.
Now, if you did so, the Templar is merely fucked, as he can't do SHIT to you. That's not balanced, that's just lame. Requires no skill (I am aware that a Templar requires little skill, just an example).

Now if you're limited as to what you can stack on for that, now you need to develop skill to prevent from being splattered. This is where Tactics and planning come in to effect, which will give you experience, and therefore, more skill.

Joining an open duel is just a good way to get corpse-guarded, lose your money, and just generally get annoyed.

[Squirt]

I understand your point, and open duels is the main reason WHY I made my necro. A FOHer requires no skill and it's purely Items, with max convic. I do not use Absorb usually just when I'm testing where I need my res at. I do however stack res, which I don't think it's unbalanced. Fohers can still hurt me, and they don't heal me, but there dmg is very limited since even with there convic I keep a high res. I however do not believe absorb is fair in duels. I'm fine with people using a raven frost when i'm using my sorc for the fact of not being frozen. But when they were complete cold res/absorb, it just pisses me off again thats the time when I bring my necro :)..Personally my favorite duels is Zealot Vs Zealot which is almost impossible to find anymore. Even if you say Zeal only when they realise they are losing they switch to smite... ( Fags ). I do fair dueling tho, and I'm nto scared of it.

[Great-Thanatos]

I understand your point, and open duels is the main reason WHY I made my necro. A FOHer requires no skill and it's purely Items, with max convic. I do not use Absorb usually just when I'm testing where I need my res at. I do however stack res, which I don't think it's unbalanced. Fohers can still hurt me, and they don't heal me, but there dmg is very limited since even with there convic I keep a high res. I however do not believe absorb is fair in duels. I'm fine with people using a raven frost when i'm using my sorc for the fact of not being frozen. But when they were complete cold res/absorb, it just pisses me off again thats the time when I bring my necro :)..Personally my favorite duels is Zealot Vs Zealot which is almost impossible to find anymore. Even if you say Zeal only when they realise they are losing they switch to smite... ( Fags ). I do fair dueling tho, and I'm nto scared of it.


i know with my barb is say zeal v concintrate...and when they start dieing they either charge me or smite me...then i simply ww and they die and say i violated the rules...

reading the foh convic thingy messed me up i put convic and meant concintrate...

[Vollstrecker]

It depends upon one's preference.

I, myself, like a Duel. It's more of a straight-up comparison of build/equipment/skills.

Open duels are ok, but you can just be killed by some punk who runs up behind you when you're low on life, and say "pwned"...

[Great-Thanatos]

It depends upon one's preference.

I, myself, like a Duel. It's more of a straight-up comparison of build/equipment/skills.

Open duels are ok, but you can just be killed by some punk who runs up behind you when you're low on life, and say "pwned"...

people that won't let you get the kill are retarded. God only knows how many times I'll duel and they run and run and then pot and fight me and I still slay them and they say I potted...