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Posted 2005-02-26, 08:30 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Originally they weren't. Things got..."
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Originally they weren't. Things got out of hand. The creator of the KKK himself left because things were going down a road he didn't want them to.

I love how this thread is titled. Think about it for a second...
Full fledged guerrilla warfare was on the verge of breaking out throughout the South and the federal government found itself powerless to stop it. The harsher the government mandates became, the stiffer the resistance became. Finally, in 1869, newly elected President Grant agreed to a secret meeting with Grand Wizard Forrest. The two men had faced each other in the Civil War and were now facing each other in a new kind of war. Grant asked what it would take to end the turmoil. Forrest replied the restoration of full rights of citizenship to the white South and home rule. Grant agreed. Grand Wizard Forrest would disband the Klan and later that year Grant would begin the process of withdrawing federal troops and restoring Constitutional Rights to the South. Unfortunately, the unrest did not end with the disbandment of the Ku Klux Klan in 1869. Grand Wizard Forrest had no authority over the other independent groups that also opposed the Reconstruction. Some of these groups, like the White Camellia, had grown to be as large as the Klan, and the outrages committed by impersonators continued. Though he did what he could, under these conditions President Grant found it difficult to keep his end of the bargain. Though Reconstruction would eventually end, it was agonizingly slow.

In the early 1870's there was no longer a Ku Klux Klan. But all resistance had been labeled "ku klux" by the northern newspapers and public officials. In 1871, Congress passed the Anti-Ku Klux Act which launched a massive investigation into the affairs of the late insurrectory states. The Federal government found its own policies largely to blame for the post Civil War turmoil. Gradually (too gradually) the government began to make amends and slowly, all organizations labeled "ku klux" faded away. By 1880, there was no longer a need for them. The restoration of civil liberties, civil authority, and home rule to the white South enabled law enforcers to stamp out the outlaws and criminal impersonators of the Ku Klux Klan.

The most unfortunate victims of the Reconstruction Era were the poor whites and freed Negroes who fared the worse under the violent conditions. The most infamous villains were the Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, most of whom just happened to be Jewish. But there is documentation that ex-Confederate Jews, as well as many Catholics also joined the Klan. Religious distinctions were not part of the original Ku Klux Klan's doctrine. Names like Cohen and Rosenbaum appear on both sides. Some Jews rose as high as the rank of Grand Cyclops in the original KKK.

While most historian claim that the country has never fully recovered from the Civil War, the reality is that the country has never recovered from the Reconstruction. More accurately we should simply consider the Reconstruction as the last battle and chapter of the Civil War. In the wake of Reconstruction, many myths have sprung up concerning the Klan and the most ridiculous ones seem to be most widely accepted today as facts. Most biased modern historians claim that the Klan just wandered around looking for innocent Negroes to hang. In fact, the original Klan never hung anyone who was truly innocent and did much to protect the innocent of both races.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 08:33 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Full fledged guerrilla warfare was on..."
ALSO... on the burning of crosses.

The most common myth is that the original Klan burned crosses. This is the invention of fiction writer, Thomas Dixon, and elaborated upon by movie producer, D.W. Griffith. In the 47 volumes that make up the Ku Klux Report to Congress, not one eye witness, not one ex-Klansman, not one surviving victim, not one newspaper article makes any reference at all to a fiery cross of any kind. In the Klan's own Prescripts much detail is given to making the Klan flag or Grand Ensign, but no mention of a cross, fiery or otherwise, is made. It was not until 1915, that former Methodist minister, William Joseph Simmons, adopted the Methodist religious symbol of the fiery cross as a symbol for his revived Ku Klux Klan, after being inspired by the Dixon novel, "The Clansman" and the Griffith motion picture, "The Birth of a Nation".

For nearly one hundred years the Klan was recognized as the savior of the white South. Amid the lawlessness and chaos of the Reconstruction Era the Klan sought to restore law and order and protect the defenseless population. It was incredibly successful. Unfortunately for all involved, it could only use the means at hand. Amid a reign of terror committed by the highest levels of government, to the lowest common outlaws, the Klan resorted to the use of terror. Having felt they accomplished their goals for the most part, the Klan disbanded itself and was not defeated by government legislation. Had there never been a revival of the Ku Klux Klan, the original Klan would have maintained its place in history as an organization of decent men who were forced under unbearable conditions to do only what was necessary to protect life, liberty, and property at a time of unprecedented lawlessness and abuse of authority by a government gone mad with power. (Just like today.)

For further reading I recommend the following books:

Invisible Empire, by Stanley Horn. Not available from the IHRF, but it can be found on the internet, in libraries, and book stores.

Available from the IHRF and listed on our web page:

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan $18.00

The Story of the Ku Klux Klan $ 8.00

A Story of the Original Ku Klux Klan $ 2.50

Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth, and Disbandment $7.00

A Pictorial History of the Ku Klux Klan $ 5.00


Let me now make it well-known that I do not support today's Klan, for it is rather unneeded.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 08:39 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "A really old black man. Like 140 years..."
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A really old black man. Like 140 years old at least.
No. Ask a 70 year old black man . . .

My grandfather says he remember hearing from his grandparents and great grandparents about what it was like. So you can't get first-hand stories from a slave, but there are people who've actually heard exactly what it was like, and I think if you don't want to believe a history book, then perhaps you'd believe it from somebody who actually knows about it.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 08:43 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "I could call you brainwashed by the..."
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I could call you brainwashed by the Jewish supremacists, but I haven't.
I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post, but this really got me. DID YOU FUCKING READ MY POST? I wasn't even talking about books. If you don't believe the books, ask someone who knows.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 08:44 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "No. Ask a 70 year old black man . . . ..."
Well zonalon knows about it! Cmon! He was there!
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Posted 2005-02-26, 08:44 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "No. Ask a 70 year old black man . . . ..."
Ask a really old white guy what it was like living in the South in post-Civil war pre-KKK times.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:01 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Ask a really old white guy what it was..."
zonalon said:
Ask a really old white guy what it was like living in the South in post-Civil war pre-KKK times.
Why don't you take your own advice. It was good for the white folks. I mean -- they were allowed to vote and everything.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:02 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Ask a really old white guy what it was..."
The following are all from the years 1920 - 21:

On Sept. 17, in Richmond, Va., a police officer was killed by a criminal. The Richmond Klan sent $100 to the widow.

On Aug. 27, in Charleston, W.Va., Klansmen contributed $275 toward the support of the Old Ladies Home in Kanawha County.

In March the Charlottesville, Va., Klan gave $1,000 to the University of Virginia Centennial Endowment Fund.

November 24, the Henderson, Tx. Klan gave $50 to two Negroes in needy circumstances. (http://www.kkklan.com/various2.gif)

October 1, the Atlanta Klan contributed $100 to help pay expenses of Confederate veterans from Atlanta to Houston, Tx., at the annual reunion of the United Confederate Veterans.

Nov. 23, the Greenville, Tx., Klan contributed $1,000 toward rebuilding Wesley College, which had been destroyed by fire.

On Christmas Day, 1921, the Atlanta, Ga., Klan contributed $125 to the Christmas fund for former slaves.

Nov. 25, the Memphis, Tn., Klan gave $100 to the Red Cross.

Nov. 7, the Goliad, Tx., Klan contributed $50 to a town citizen whose home and possessions had been destroyed by fire.

June 22, the San Antonio, Tx., Klan gave $100 to the local Orphan's Home.

July 6, the Wharton, Tx., Klan contributed $50 to a destitute widow.

July 9, the Cureo, Tx., Klan gave $60 to help a man afflicted with tuberculosis.

Nov. 21, the Austin, Tx., Klan sent $100 to the Salvation Army.

July 20, the Dallas, Tx., Klan sent $100 to the Orphans' Home.

The Atlanta Klan gave $1,000 to the Agnes Scott Girls' School in that city.

Nov. 29, the Washington, D.C., Klan gave $100 to the Salvation Army.

During this same time period the Atlanta Klan loaned $15,000, interest free, to small tradesmen who needed capital for their businesses. The Klan loaned many more thousands of dollars, free of interest, to small tradesmen across the country.

The Execution of Bill German in Overton County.

The Union and American of Saturday says: "By a private letter from a trustworthy gentleman residing at Cookville in Putnam County, we give some further information in regard to the recent execution near Livingston, in Overton County, by a body of supposed Ku-Klux, of the young man Wm. German, an account of which we published Thursday morning. "He says that a few days before the execution, German shot and badly wounded, and supposed he had killed, a Negro man living in his neighborhood. The shooting took place in a public road, and the Negro managed to crawl to the house of his employer, where he told who had shot him. The Negro had the character of being a quiet, peaceable man, and as there had been no previous trouble between him and German, it was supposed the crime was perpetrated in pure wantonness.

It is thought that the persons by whom German was killed were members of a secret organization, to which he belonged - but whether Ku-Klux or not, nobody in the neighborhood appears to know. The body of men concerned in the execution numbered about 200, and none of them were identified by citizens who witnessed their appearance and departure. Accounts reported Bill German was found hanged in a nearby barn; a sign posted there declared: Hung for shooting a Negro, Bill Cullum, and violating the laws of Ku Klux."

After the original KKK disbanded there was no Ku Klux Klan until it was revived in 1915. Therefore, we feel that the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica gives an unbiased and accurate brief description of the original Ku Klux Klan. It will be interesting to the reader to compare today's Encyclopaedia Britannica to this edition.

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Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:06 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Why don't you take your own advice. It..."
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Why don't you take your own advice. It was good for the white folks. I mean -- they were allowed to vote and everything.
HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:07 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "The following are all from the years..."
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The following are all from the years 1920 - 21:

On Sept. 17, in Richmond, Va., a police officer was killed by a criminal. The Richmond Klan sent $100 to the widow.

On Aug. 27, in Charleston, W.Va., Klansmen contributed $275 toward the support of the Old Ladies Home in Kanawha County.

In March the Charlottesville, Va., Klan gave $1,000 to the University of Virginia Centennial Endowment Fund.

November 24, the Henderson, Tx. Klan gave $50 to two Negroes in needy circumstances. (http://www.kkklan.com/various2.gif)

October 1, the Atlanta Klan contributed $100 to help pay expenses of Confederate veterans from Atlanta to Houston, Tx., at the annual reunion of the United Confederate Veterans.

Nov. 23, the Greenville, Tx., Klan contributed $1,000 toward rebuilding Wesley College, which had been destroyed by fire.

On Christmas Day, 1921, the Atlanta, Ga., Klan contributed $125 to the Christmas fund for former slaves.

Nov. 25, the Memphis, Tn., Klan gave $100 to the Red Cross.

Nov. 7, the Goliad, Tx., Klan contributed $50 to a town citizen whose home and possessions had been destroyed by fire.

June 22, the San Antonio, Tx., Klan gave $100 to the local Orphan's Home.

July 6, the Wharton, Tx., Klan contributed $50 to a destitute widow.

July 9, the Cureo, Tx., Klan gave $60 to help a man afflicted with tuberculosis.

Nov. 21, the Austin, Tx., Klan sent $100 to the Salvation Army.

July 20, the Dallas, Tx., Klan sent $100 to the Orphans' Home.

The Atlanta Klan gave $1,000 to the Agnes Scott Girls' School in that city.

Nov. 29, the Washington, D.C., Klan gave $100 to the Salvation Army.

During this same time period the Atlanta Klan loaned $15,000, interest free, to small tradesmen who needed capital for their businesses. The Klan loaned many more thousands of dollars, free of interest, to small tradesmen across the country.

The Execution of Bill German in Overton County.

The Union and American of Saturday says: "By a private letter from a trustworthy gentleman residing at Cookville in Putnam County, we give some further information in regard to the recent execution near Livingston, in Overton County, by a body of supposed Ku-Klux, of the young man Wm. German, an account of which we published Thursday morning. "He says that a few days before the execution, German shot and badly wounded, and supposed he had killed, a Negro man living in his neighborhood. The shooting took place in a public road, and the Negro managed to crawl to the house of his employer, where he told who had shot him. The Negro had the character of being a quiet, peaceable man, and as there had been no previous trouble between him and German, it was supposed the crime was perpetrated in pure wantonness.

It is thought that the persons by whom German was killed were members of a secret organization, to which he belonged - but whether Ku-Klux or not, nobody in the neighborhood appears to know. The body of men concerned in the execution numbered about 200, and none of them were identified by citizens who witnessed their appearance and departure. Accounts reported Bill German was found hanged in a nearby barn; a sign posted there declared: Hung for shooting a Negro, Bill Cullum, and violating the laws of Ku Klux."

After the original KKK disbanded there was no Ku Klux Klan until it was revived in 1915. Therefore, we feel that the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica gives an unbiased and accurate brief description of the original Ku Klux Klan. It will be interesting to the reader to compare today's Encyclopaedia Britannica to this edition.

http://www.kkklan.com/briefh4.gif

Very nice. More copy and paste.

http://www.cosforums.com/archive/index.php/t-19529.html

Of course, the fact that you got this from a klan website discredits what you have to say anyway. And really, was the klan so petty that it recorded when it gave $50, and considered it a good thing. Perhaps you should also mention, as many "good things" the klan did from 1920-1921, it also did that many lynchings in a day.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:11 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Very nice. More copy and paste. ..."
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Very nice. More copy and paste.

http://www.cosforums.com/archive/index.php/t-19529.html

Of course, the fact that you got this from a klan website discredits what you have to say anyway. And really, was the klan so petty that it recorded when it gave $50, and considered it a good thing. Perhaps you should also mention, as many "good things" the klan did from 1920-1921, it also did that many lynchings in a day.
Just read Invisible Empire, by Stanley Horn. Not available from the IHRF, but it can be found on the internet, in libraries, and book stores.

Available from the IHRF and listed on our web page:

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan $18.00

The Story of the Ku Klux Klan $ 8.00

A Story of the Original Ku Klux Klan $ 2.50

Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth, and Disbandment $7.00

A Pictorial History of the Ku Klux Klan $ 5.00

the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica

Besides, the original Klan was way better than the 1920's one, I'll agree with you on that one. If it wasn't revived, perhaps we'd hear more of the good things the Klan did back in the 1800's. The original Klan did not support the killing of innocent men, black or white.

More good things the Klan did in 1920:

During this same time period the Atlanta Klan loaned $15,000, interest free, to small tradesmen who needed capital for their businesses. The Klan loaned many more thousands of dollars, free of interest, to small tradesmen across the country.

January, 1921, there was a race riot at Winter Gardens, Fl., the local Klansmen helped to suppress the riot, and members of that Klan stood guard for three days and three nights, protecting lives and property in the Negro quarters.

Feb. 5, 1921, the Mayor of Columbus, Ga., praised the Columbus Klan for its assistance to the police department during an epidemic of burglaries.

In Atlanta, Ga., a mob formed to storm the jail and lynch a Negro charged with an atrocious crime. Col. Simmons happened to be passing and sent Klansmen among the mob to persuade them to disband, which was done. Later when the Negro was taken from the jail to the courthouse, Klansmen stationed along the way prevented any act of violence against the accused.

Nov. 25, the Little Rock, Ar., Klan gave the chief of police $1,000 as reward money for the arrest and conviction of anyone attacking a woman.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:12 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "HAHA! WRONG! Did you even read any..."
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HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.

Well, no shit. The south broke the fucking country up and started a war. There's plenty of reason that the north was wary of having the south back in power, and giving rebel leaders U.S. citizenship. But in the 1870s, everything returned to normal. You know what you needed to do to vote? All you needed to do was make a simple pledge that you were loyal to the union. That's it. Now, when the south couldn't do that . . .

Also, white people couldn't vote directly after the war in the south, for a couple of years maybe. By the next presidential election, though, the southern whites were voting. Of course, grandfather clauses didn't affect white poeple.

And the north didn't opress either of us. Perhaps you don't know, but I was born 130 years after that time period.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:16 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, no shit. The south broke the..."
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Well, no shit. The south broke the fucking country up and started a war. There's plenty of reason that the north was wary of having the south back in power, and giving rebel leaders U.S. citizenship. But in the 1870s, everything returned to normal. You know what you needed to do to vote? All you needed to do was make a simple pledge that you were loyal to the union. That's it. Now, when the south couldn't do that . . .

Also, white people couldn't vote directly after the war in the south, for a couple of years maybe. By the next presidential election, though, the southern whites were voting. Of course, grandfather clauses didn't affect white poeple.

And the north didn't opress either of us. Perhaps you don't know, but I was born 130 years after that time period.
The North still opresses us today. They keep sending in illegal immigrants to steal our jobs.

Besides, our votes don't even count. The elections are always rigged.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:21 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, no shit. The south broke the..."
In Portland, Or., in the early 1920's, the Ku Klux Klan pledged $50,000 to a children's home and held a Christmas party featuring Kris Kringle. The Klan also organized a Klan Kommunity Kit to compete with the Community Chest, church visits became a kind of ritual. Typically, a small group of Klansmen would march down the aisle, hand the minister an offering of money, and silently depart. (page 39)

Protestant ministers quickly found that the Klan's emphasis on religion helped swell church attendance. (page 41)

Most Klansmen were law abiding, church going family men. Klansmen also hoped to eliminate vice and corruption through the ballot box. One Klansman declared, "Everybody knows that politicians nowadays cater to all kinds of elements, mostly selfish, some corrupt, and some definitely anti-American. They cater to the vice vote and even to the violently criminal vote. What the Klan intends to do is make them pay some attention to the decent God fearing, law abiding vote." (pages 42-43)

During the 1920's, the Klan was subjected not only to verbal abuse but also to physical assault in some areas. Bootleggers, for example, did not take kindly to the Klan's attempts to enforce prohibition. When New Jersey's Klan declared war on local bootleggers, the rum runners formed a defense council and publicly threatened to "Shoot to kill" anyone other then a policeman who interfered with their illegal traffic in liquor. (page 68)

The Klan always believed in justice. It against (or it was, anyway) Klan law to kill an innocent.

http://www.kkklan.com/various.htm
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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All you liberals listen up. If the Klan was an all Protestant group, then why were/are there other types of religious groups in the Klan?

One lie leads to another.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:34 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "All you liberals listen up. If the Klan..."
The following was taken from the Bloomington, Ill. "Daily Bulletin", Feb. 21, 1922, page 1:

Headline: "Thanks to the Ku Klux Klan, Shawnee, Okla." - Negro comes into newspaper office, asks that letter be printed. "To members of the Ku Klux Klan - Greetings - We wish to thank you for your courtesy for helping to stop dishonesty and immoral practices in this section of town. We will appreciate any future steps that you may take to completely wipe out these practices. (signed) The Colored Secret Spying Society of South Town.

The following was taken from the Bloomington, Ill. "Daily Pantagraph" Sept. 17, 1924:

Headline: "Klansmen donate to Negro Church". Galesburg - 100 robed men walked into colored church during services and gave $65.00 to pastor with note, "The Klan is your friend."

The following was taken from Chicago's "Dawn", Dec. 23, 1922:

Headline: "Black Billy Sunday in Ft. Worth, Tx. likes Klan, preaches at St. James Church".

From "Dawn" Nov. 24, 1923, page 11:

Headline: "Negroes refuse to join war on Klan in Suffolk, N.Y.; nine of sixteen ministers with Catholics say Klan isn't harmful to them. Just against intermarriage."

From "Dawn", Oct. 20, 1923, page 10:

Headline: "Dixon Klan gives to Negro Baptist Church". At the Sunday service, Oct. 14, at the Colored Baptist Church here, the local organization of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan presented the congregation with an envelope containing four ten dollar bills. About three weeks ago the minister of this congregation received a letter ordering him to leave the city within twelve hours and letter was signed K.K.K., which is merely another example of the false propaganda being sent out by those who oppose this American organization. ... The minister responded with his thanks and assured us that it was received in the proper spirit, and would be used in the proper way. He also said if the Klan is composed of such men and holds such high principles his prayer to God is for more Klansmen."

From "Dawn", Dec. 2, page 8:

Headline: "Klan visits Negro Preacher." Sour Lake, Tx. - The Negro Methodist church was the scene of an extraordinary sensation last Sunday afternoon when several white robed Klansmen entered the building and presented the pastor with a donation of $40.00 and a message of encouragement. The visit followed the request of the pastor to Rev. Charles W. Hughes, pastor of the First Methodist church, to assist him in raising funds for religious work in the Colored community. Rev. Hughes delivered a sermon on "Money" before the dusky congregation and assisted in taking up the collection."

Also, from that same page of "Dawn":

Headline: "Negro leader learns Klan is friend." Madison, Wis. - The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the Negroes of Madison have buried the hatchet. This was indicated the other day by statements of Klan leaders and Rev. F.J. Peterson, pastor of the African Bethel church, who is regarded as a local leader of his race. The pastor acknowledged receipt of a donation of $25.00 made by the Klansmen. "The board of trustees of our church regards the donation as being made in good faith and has accepted it as such," Rev. Peterson said. "It has helped to dispel natural prejudices and to encourage better feeling. ...In a letter which accompanied the gift, it is declared that reports that the Ku Klux Klan is an anti-Negro organization are untrue."

A summing up of the New Jersey KKK. Much of the following was taken from, "Hooded Americanism, the History of the Ku Klux Klan", by David Chalmers, the "Good Citizen" magazine, and Klan records.

The KKK first spread to New Jersey from the states of New York and Pennsylvania early in 1921 and has had a history of being a peaceful Klan. Attorney Arthur Bell was N.J.'s first and longest reigning Grand Dragon. He ruled the New Jersey KKK right up to the Klan's disbandment in the 1940's. His wife Leah Bell was the state leader of the Women of the Ku Klux Klan. The Klan's first strongholds were in Passaic, Bergen, Essex, Union, and Morris counties and in the area around Trenton and Camden. But the Klan grew strongest in Monmouth county.

In the mid-twenties, the Klan marched, rallied, and worshipped. It reached a membership of around 100,000. The Klan built Monroe Recreational Park and Shark River Recreational Park, where the Grand Dragon lived and the Imperial Wizard visited. (The Klan placed the valuable Shark River Recreational Park in the name of the Monmouth Pleasure Club Association.

Before long the Klan prospered and spread throughout the state. It's purposes were to protect the Constitution and pure womanhood; preserve the White race, the separation of church and state, and uphold law and order. There were no substantiated reports of actual Klan violence and ceremonial cross lightings were common. Drunkenness, wife beatings, mixed marriages, child abuse, and immorality were particularly opposed by the N.J. Klan. Apart from it's nocturnal rituals and fraternalism, the primary concern of the N.J. Klan was the preservation of the traditional American values. As the Klan's Tri-K-Girls put it, "The return to the teachings of our mothers." This meant stressing the virtues of Christian fundamentalism and temperance. It was not surprising, therefore, that in New Jersey this often led to friendly relations and co-operation with many churches.

It became characteristic of the N.J. Klan to receive support from the ministry. Although Baptist, Presbyterian, Dutch Reformed, and Evangelical pastors and churches supplied pulpits and prestige for the Klan, its truest friends came from the Pillar of Fire Church and the Methodists. Bishop Alma White's religious community of Zarepath (near Bound Brook) favored the Klan which they saw as an ally in the fight to protect bible Christianity against modern distortions and criticism. The Pillar of Fire Church looked with favor upon the Klan's fiery cross. Bishop White praised the Klan by sermon, book, and in the church's Good Citizen publication. Bishop White also predicted that the Klan would be popular among the colleges starting with Princeton University. The Imperial Wizard visited the Bishop White at her Zarepath church grounds several times.

Klansmen appeared at friendly churches such as the Third Presbyterian in Elizabeth, the Grace Methodist in Kearney, the First Baptist in Bayonne, the Calvary Methodist Episcopal in Paterson, the Grace Methodist Episcopal in Newark, and the Colonial United Methodist Church in Oxford. Usually they entered "robed up", sat in reserved sections, donated money to the minister, gave talks on why the Klan favored positive Christianity, and peacefully departed as church choirs sang "Onward Christian Soldiers". While approving Klansmen and congregations listened, ministers gave special sermons on Americanism, and quoted from Romans 12:1, the Klan's verse of the New Testament.

In Monmouth and Ocean Counties Klansmen regularly paraded through the streets of Long Branch, Asbury Park, Point Pleasant, and Lakewood on their way to Sunday morning services. Members of the clergy joined the Klan. The recruiters and speakers of the N.J. Klan were often ministers and some pastors headed Klaverns or held state or local Klan office. Of all the denominations, the ministers of the Methodist Episcopal Church were most prominent in Klan affairs. Many ministers in New Jersey felt that it was part of their duty to seek out and reproach transgressors. They warmly approved joint efforts with the Klan to carry it out. The principal objectives of their concern were usually immorality and drunkenness. In Asbury Park, the Civic Church League and the Klan met at the First Methodist Episcopal Church to combine forces against such. Although vice was always a matter of concern, the bond uniting Klan and churchmen was a common struggle against alcohol abuse. During this time the KKK donated money to the Negro church of Belmar and paid off the mortgage to the Negro church of Vineland.

In the spring of 1923, the Klan went to the state assembly to support a bill to permit New Testament readings in public schools. (Such was not considered a violation of the separation of church and state at the time.) Later that summer the Klan and the Ministerial Association of Plainfield joined in opposition to Sabbath breaking. Some ministers preached that the Klan was the only hope of bringing straying Christians back into the fold, and the Grand Dragon promised that he would strive to return New Jersey to "The Old Time Religion". In the village of Atco, near Camden, the Klan participated in the dedication of a new non-denominational church. Throughout the 1920's, the relationship between Klan and clergy continued. Klansmen and churchmen joined to sponsor Senator Heflin for president at a rally at Upsala College. In Atlantic City, the extremely active local Klansmen accused the city government of protecting vice and lawlessness. The Klan took part in the Flag Day parade in Bloomfield. In 11926, the Unity Klan No. 17 of Rahway and Linden sponsored a fund raising drive to rebuild the Negro Church of Carteret. The banner on photo below reads: "Help Us To Rebuild The Negro Church Of Carteret".

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In 1923, H.L. Mencken and George Jean Nathan, recognized critics of the American scene, described the Ku Klux Klan for Smart Set, their journal of satirical sophistication. They flayed every organizational aspect of the national life. Sparing no one, majority or minority, they connected the KKK with all that was ludicrous and unwarranted in a society which they felt represented mediocracy. They wrote:

"Not a single solitary sound reason has yet been advanced for putting the Ku Klux Klan out of business. If the Klan is against the Jews, so are half of the good hotels of the Republic and three-quarters of the good clubs. If the Klan is against the foreign born or the hyphenated citizen, so is the National Institute of Arts and Letters. If the Klan is against the Negro, so are all of the states south of the Mason-Dixon line. If the Klan is for damnation and persecution, so is the Methodist Church. If the Klan is bent upon political control, so are the American Legion and Tammany Hall. If the Klan wears grotesque uniforms, so do the Knights of Pythias and Mystic Shriners. If the Klan holds its meetings in the dead of night, so do the Elks. If the Klan conducts its business in secret, so do all college Greek letter fraternities and the Department of State. If the Klan holds idiotic parades in the public streets, so do the police, the letter-carriers, and firemen. If the Klan's officers bear ridiculous names, so do the officers of the Lambs' Club. If the Klan uses the mails for shaking down suckers, so does the Red Cross. If the Klan constitutes itself a censor of private morals, so does the Congress of the United States. If the Klan lynches a Moor for raping someone's daughter, so would you or I."
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:46 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "The following was taken from the..."
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Fuck you, WW.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:03 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "HAHA! WRONG! Did you even read any..."
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HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.
That's why Johnson threw out pardons like there was no tomorrow? Basically the only person who wasn't pardoned was Davis.

Grant intervened with military action because preventing people (blacks) from voting was a federal crime.

And who were intimidating voters? The KKK.
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That's why Johnson threw out pardons like there was no tomorrow? Basically the only person who wasn't pardoned was Davis.

Grant intervened with military action because preventing people (blacks) from voting was a federal crime.

And who were intimidating voters? The KKK.
It will offend some members of the various Klan organizations and it will offend some anti-Klan people. But what I put here are the documented facts. I will list my sources so that skeptics can research this information themselves. The simple truth is that no American organization has had its true history so distorted and misrepresented as the Ku Klux Klan. What is taught in schools today about the KKK is largely myth. What modern day Klan groups present as Klan history is largely myth. What is presented as Klan history today by anti-Klan groups is largely myth. After over twenty years of extensive research I stand by my findings regardless of who it offends or who doesn't believe it. Facts are facts. One of the greatest crimes that can be committed against future generations is to re-write history for the sake of modern present day political or social attitudes. Future generations as well as the present generation have a right to know the truth about their nation's history.

We have recently made a new historical find concerning Negroes in the KKK that you will find surprising. It appears that in some cases Whites and Blacks belonged to the same local chapters of the Ku Klux Klan. Our source of information is from the book: Hard Times by Studs Terkel (1970, New York). The book is about the conditions in this country during the Great Depression. On page 239 we read:

"The Ku Klux was formed on behalf of people that wanted a decent living, both black and white. Half the coal camp was colored. It wasn't anti-colored. The black people had the same responsibilities as the white. Their lawn was just as green as the white man's. They got the same rate of pay. There was two colored who belonged to it. I remember those two coming around my father and asking questions about it. They joined. The pastor of our community church was a colored man. He was Ku Klux. It was the only protection the working man had. ....... One time a Negro slapped a white boy. They didn't give him any warning. They whipped him and ran him out of town. If a white man slapped a colored kid, they'd have dome the same thing. They didn't go in for beating up Negroes because they were Negroes. What they did was keep the community decent to live in. What they did object to was obscenity and drinking."
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:16 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "It will offend some members of the..."
Remember, we're talking about the old Knights. A few 1960's Klan branches gave the Klan a bad image overall. (which is probably why there are so many lies concerning the Classic Klan these days)
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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