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Pope: Church must do penance for abuse
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Posted 2010-04-15, 07:58 PM
Comments during Mass mark sharp turnaround in Vatican’s approach

VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI broke his recent silence on the clerical abuse scandal Thursday, noting recent attacks on the church and the need for "we Christians" to repent for sins and recognize mistakes.

Benedict made the comments during an off-the-cuff homily at a Mass inside the Vatican for members of the Pontifical Biblical Commission.

Victims of clerical abuse have long demanded that Benedict take more personal responsibility for clerical abuse, charging that the Vatican orchestrated a culture of cover-up and secrecy that allowed priests to rape and molest children for decades unchecked.

Those demands have intensified in recent weeks as the Vatican and Benedict himself have been accused of negligence in handling some cases in Europe and the United States.

"I must say, we Christians, even in recent times, have often avoided the word 'repent', which seemed too tough. But now under attack from the world, which has been telling us about our sins ... we realize that it's necessary to repent, in other words, recognize what is wrong in our lives," Benedict said.

"Open ourselves to forgiveness ... and let ourselves be transformed. The pain of repentance, which is a purification and transformation, is a grace because it is renewal and the work of divine mercy," he said.

It was Benedict's fullest allusion to the scandal since he sent a letter to the Irish faithful March 20 concerning what Irish-government inquiries have concluded was decades of abuse and church-mandated cover-up in the country.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi confirmed that Benedict was indeed referring to the scandal. "That's a legitimate reading," he said. "You can apply (his comments) to the current situation."

In his letter to the Irish, Benedict chastised Irish bishops for failures in leadership and judgment. But he took no responsibility himself or for the Vatican, which many victims have blamed for being more concerned about protecting the church than children.

On Monday, the Vatican posted on its Web site what it claimed had been a long-standing church policy telling bishops that they should report abuse crimes to police, where civil laws require it.

But critics have said the guidelines were merely a deceptive attempt by Rome to rewrite history, designed to shield the Vatican from blame by shifting responsibility of dealing with abusive priests onto bishops.

The Rev. Thomas P. Doyle, a canon lawyer who has been the main expert witness for victims in hundreds of lawsuits, called the guidelines a "failed attempt at damage control through revision of history."

He noted that senior Vatican officials, including the current Vatican No. 2, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in 2002 were quoted as saying the church shouldn't require bishops to report abusive priests to police because it would violate the trust the two shared.

"In practice, the policy has been to avoid contact with civil authorities and to cover up the crimes and the criminals," Doyle wrote in an article this week. "The newly created canonical tradition of referral to civil authorities is the result of one thing: public outrage, the exposure from the media and the pressure for accountability in civil courts."

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Posted 2010-04-15, 08:03 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post "Pope: Church must do penance for abuse"
Here's a nice idea for you, Mr.Pope - Don't do anything f*cked up, and you don't have to repent, to either God or humanity.
Now, if they end up doing a shit-ton of stuff to try and make up for it, don't stop doing that, and stop doing all the corrupt stuff, then we'll be doing alright. Of course, that's just impossible.
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Posted 2010-04-15, 08:23 PM in reply to Skurai's post starting "Here's a nice idea for you, Mr.Pope -..."
Regardless of "repenting" these people need to be criminally charged. I think this is a step in the right direction, in that the Pope is at least acknowledging that a problem exists, but claiming that it can simply be fixed by "repenting" and not owning up to his full share of the blame is wrong.
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Posted 2010-04-16, 09:01 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Regardless of "repenting" these people..."
perculiar language as well from the pope. Do you think he has done anything wrong himself such as abuse of a child? Or is he just speaking generally about the issue?

I agree, if there has been actual crimes committed, then obviously there should be persecution as there would be for any other person(s).

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Posted 2010-04-16, 10:40 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "perculiar language as well from the..."
I don't know whether the Pope himself has molested children, but he has knowingly allowed it to happen which is just as bad in my eyes.
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Posted 2010-04-16, 01:55 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I don't know whether the Pope himself..."
You know the more people go to these news sites and click on these links, the more hits they get, the more the news site thinks that people give a shit about the catholic church. This in turn results in more reporting, and subsequently more attention given to the catholic church. I know it's tempting, but next time just don't click the link man. It's always the same story and has been for years - and really it's just common fucking sense - if you don't want your child molested don't send them to catholic school just like you wouldn't let them spend the night at Michael Jackson's house.

Oh... too soon?
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Posted 2010-04-16, 04:20 PM in reply to S2 AM's post starting "You know the more people go to these..."
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This in turn results in more reporting, and subsequently more attention given to the catholic church.
I don't see how this is a bad thing. When the "attention" is negative, as it is, I think the more exposure there is the better. The only way it can change is if people know about it and are outraged enough to change it.
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Posted 2010-04-16, 08:14 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I don't see how this is a bad thing. ..."
Weak people...
And the first step to "repairing abuse" is rec-
ognizing that anything happened at all...
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Posted 2010-04-17, 03:09 AM in reply to Mdselctr's post starting "Weak people... And the first step to..."
I think we already stated that, didn't we? Either way, me and Amazing have the same glasses, which is totally unrelated.
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