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Posted 2007-10-11, 07:17 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I think you have a general..."
Well, as soon as you can prove to me otherwise i'm going to keep my opinions out there, as you do.


You can claim that Hilary has the best chance, when all you are going off is that she has raised the most money and has been posted on CNN (highly liberal) the most. They are obviously posting about and posting false polls the most. Obama doesn't accept money from lobbyists as Clinton does.

Hillary Clinton is pro-immigration, pro-NAFTA, pro-outsourcing, most democrats do not know that, and she is on her way right up to the presidency.

As for the polls most of them are conducted with fixed phone lines as one of the various ways they conduct them, and the fixed lines are not going to be had by most of the youthful voters, and if they do, they are conducted in the early morning, THAT BEING SAID, the only people at home during the morning are in the "older" category, and what a great thing! Because most of Hilary's supporters are in the older category. Polls mean nothing today because they represent conventional methods of measuring support.

Hiliary can't win the general election, and Obama is just standing in the way of either Edwards or Biden moving forward to challenge Clinton. Also remember, Greenspan called Bill Clinton the best REPUBLICAN president he's worked for. That should be a hint folks. She's pro NAFTA and outsourcing and in the lobbyists pockets. Also, earlier in the year when I was trying to find out where the candidates stood on the issues she had nothing on healthcare other than that she wanted to insure Children. The candidates wouldn't even be discussing Universal Healthcare is John Edwards hadn't made it an issue.














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Posted 2007-10-11, 08:41 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "Well, as soon as you can prove to me..."
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Well, as soon as you can prove to me otherwise i'm going to keep my opinions out there, as you do.
Well, first of all I would suggets looking into how these polls are actually carried out. It's not simply newspaper polls and people who file lawsuits as you claim. I really have no intention or desire to prove it to you. You're entitled to whatever opinion you want to have on the topic. But if you believe that these are merely newspapers polling those who are politically active you are horrifically uninformed.

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You can claim that Hilary has the best chance, when all you are going off is that she has raised the most money and has been posted on CNN (highly liberal) the most.
Well, CNN along with Gallup, Ramussen, AP-Ipsos, ABC News, Washington Post, CBS News, Reuters, Zogby, Pew, Cook, RT Strategies, Fox NBC, WSJ, USA Today, and Quinnipac just to name a few. I'm going with the fact that she has the best chance with what the polls report. Again, you claim that the polls don't represent the constituency adequately, whereas most of these groups go through painstaking efforts to make sure they do just that.

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They are obviously posting about and posting false polls the most.
Yea. They all made up the same numbers.

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Obama doesn't accept money from lobbyists as Clinton does.
His loss. It will reflect in the polls. And the election.

The best evidence for polls is their frightening accuracy. It's not hard to find polls from 2006, 2004, 2000, 1996, or 1992. Those are just the ones I checked for. I'm sure you could go further back.

Of course, I checked only exit polls. The political climate will undoubtedly change from now until 2008. All I'm saying, with the massive spread Hillary has now, she has the best chance of winning.
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Posted 2007-10-11, 04:15 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "The only reason people are voting for..."
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The only reason people are voting for Hilary is because they believe getting 'Bill' back into the office will have him back in the role. IMO he has been the best president in our history and Hilary will not be.

Ack.
So you think Bill Clinton is the best president we've ever had?
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Posted 2007-10-11, 09:17 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "So you think Bill Clinton is the best..."
Maybe the best we've had recently, but he's not even close to being the best ever.

FDR was probably the best. Or one of. I don't think any one person could be labeled the best.
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Posted 2007-10-12, 02:36 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Maybe the best we've had recently, but..."
Labelling presidents as the 'best' and such really is kinda unfair because most of us can't quite grasp the climate of older days having no accurate frame of reference to it.

I would say he was one of the good ones though.
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Posted 2007-10-12, 03:28 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Labelling presidents as the 'best' and..."
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Labelling presidents as the 'best' and such really is kinda unfair because most of us can't quite grasp the climate of older days having no accurate frame of reference to it.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Posted 2007-11-01, 01:18 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I couldn't have said it better."
I don't know if any of you fellas either watcher or heard, or even read exceprts from Tuesday's debate, but Hilary finally showed what kind of person she is, and of course, was somewhat ambushed. It's awesome, just proving my point more and more than Hilary cannot be our president.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-us-wondering/

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"This may be smart politics by Washington's standards, but it's not what America needs right now," the first-term Illinois senator told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Chicago. "Turning the page means offering the American people a clear sense of your principles and where you'd lead."
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"After the most secretive administration in memory, an administration that consistently misled the American people, we need a president who is going to be open and forthright," Obama said. "I think last night's debate really exposed this fault line. Senator Clinton left us wondering where she stood on every single hard question from Iran to Social Security to drivers' licenses for undocumented workers."














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Posted 2007-11-01, 06:49 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "I don't know if any of you fellas..."
I've never really liked her, to be honest. I don't think being first lady counts for much and her smile just looks entirely fake.
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Posted 2007-11-02, 11:08 AM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "I've never really liked her, to be..."
Trust me when I say you don't want a woman President.

We had Thatcher. Look at what happened.
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Posted 2007-11-02, 04:35 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Trust me when I say you don't want a..."
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Trust me when I say you don't want a woman President.

We had Thatcher. Look at what happened.
Thatcher? That rings 0 bells, mind enlightening me?
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Posted 2007-11-02, 05:21 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Thatcher? That rings 0 bells, mind..."
He's talking about the fictional world outside of the US. It doesn't really exist.
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Posted 2007-11-02, 06:22 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "He's talking about the fictional world..."
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He's talking about the fictional world outside of the US. It doesn't really exist.
Wait, what? There's a world outside US borders?
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Posted 2007-11-02, 06:24 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Wait, what? There's a world outside US..."
I think they're talking about Atlantis.
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Posted 2007-11-02, 08:07 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "I think they're talking about Atlantis."
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I think they're talking about Atlantis.
Wasn't there a bunch of casinos there? Too bad they're wasted on the fish now.
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Posted 2007-11-03, 10:36 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post "My Guess"
I think things are too on edge around the world to vote for someone just because of their gender.

I'm going to vote for the person who I feel will keep us safe, keep as much peace in the world as possible, but have enough guts to defend us when necessary.
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Posted 2007-11-09, 01:25 PM in reply to Dar_Win's post starting "I think things are too on edge around..."
Recent polls show Obama only 3% behind Hilary, I can't seem to find the link but overheard it on the Radio..














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Posted 2007-11-09, 01:49 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Recent polls show Obama only 3% behind..."
Nationwide, from what I'm seeing, the average is 23%.

The debates may significantly sway the numbers.
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Posted 2007-11-28, 12:35 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Wasn't there a bunch of casinos there? ..."
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Wasn't there a bunch of casinos there? Too bad they're wasted on the fish now.
Ooooh NO. I went to the Bahamas 2-3 weeks ago and when we got a chance to go to Atlantis the Casinoes we're simply astounding. That building was roughly 850million to have built and oh-my-jebus it was totally worth it, astonishing to see with your own eyes, and the fish we're sweet too. Giant sharks and mantra-rays up-close is something you don't see every day.

As for on-topic; The polls seem to be somewhat the same, a bit tighter on the Democratic side, and the republicans are still about the same as well this past month, Mitt Romney has taken ahead a bit and Giuliani is right there in the ranks, depending on what state's poll you go off of














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