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Posted 2008-10-22, 07:12 AM
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Proposition K, on ballot next month, would decriminalize prostitution

Proponents say it would free police to focus on other crimes

Many officials oppose the idea, saying it would make city a haven for prostitutes

Measure would make it tough to tackle trafficking, police official says
This is some great news. I think finally as a country, we can start moving forward with more legislation like this. Some claim we are just going to become more socialist, blah blah blah blah. This would be a great move as it really would free police to focus on issues that actually matter. If San Fran can pass this legislation then possibly other cities would follow suit. It's about time i'd say. After stuff like this gets passed then before we know it Marijuana will be legalized and our country can finally chill the 'F' out.






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SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.


A sex worker who goes by the name of Violet stands at a San Francisco, California, bus stop.

San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K, a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.

The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution, since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.

"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

Even in tolerant San Francisco, where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory, the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.

Some form of prostitution is legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.

In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.

After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.

These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.

Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, the district attorney, the police department and much of the business community oppose the idea. They contend that it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.

If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says, 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.' "

The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.

"We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.

But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes that prostitution is a victimless crime.

"The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."

If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist that it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.

"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."

What is you all's take on it? Is it a good idea to leagalize prostitution or would it be better to try and keep these hood rats off of the street? You are allowed to pretty much sell your body for anything else, but if it involves somebody getting off then it's illegal. I just don't get it.














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Posted 2008-10-22, 07:31 AM in reply to D3V's post "Prostitution to be legalized?"
My opinion is that as long as the prostitute is willing, there's nothing wrong with it. The good thing about legalizing it is that you can regulate it a bit better. For instance, in Nevada I believe, prostitution is legal but I think you have to get STD testing done on a regular basis. I can't remember specifics, but basically, since it's legalized, they can more easily regulate it and make it safer.

The people who would be against it are most likely the same people who are against things like sex education, because they can't put their morals aside and see that, while these things are "morally corrupt" to them, it's still in the interest of society to do things like this. Legalize prostitution and you can make it safer for the prostitutes, by requiring STD testing and maybe stuff like extra strict laws against assault on prostitutes or rape. You effectively fix the problem of girls being in dangerous situations, and you prevent the spread of STDs. Same with sex education, if you teach kids about sex and about ways to prevent pregnancy/STDs, they're less likely to get pregnant and spread disease. Same with marijuana, if you legalize it, you can more easily regulate the flow of it to consumers, possibly preventing minors from getting it (like cigarettes.) I know as a kid it was easier for me to get pot than it would have been for me to get cigarettes.

So basically it's a recurring theme. People are going to be prostitutes whether it's legal or not, kids are going to have sex whether you teach them about it or not, and people are going to smoke pot whether it's legal or not. In every case, these things can be legalized (well, not sex education, but you know what I mean,) making them easier to regulate. This is why I'm for the legalization of victimless crimes. You could probably argue that prostitution isn't a victimless crime, but I would argue that by making it legal, you could make it a victimless crime, by reducing the spread of STDs and by reducing the violence against prostitutes.
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Posted 2008-10-22, 07:34 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "My opinion is that as long as the..."
Wholeheartedly agree. I think it's about time too, especially with Marijuana. I wish I could get some good statistics on it, but I know the Jail system holds like 85% of drug users/dealers in them. Legalize marijuana and i'm sure a huge chunk of the jail populous will free up some of our money being poured into the system.














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Posted 2008-10-22, 07:37 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "Wholeheartedly agree. I think it's..."
Not to mention the money that is spent every year on the drug war, not to mention the potential market for hemp products that we're missing out on, not to mention the heavy taxes the government could put on marijuana...

The list goes on and on, and thus is why anyone with half a brain understands that marijuana being illegal does more harm than good.

Anyway, I don't wanna turn this into a discussion about marijuana. I'll just go into an epic rant about that. Prostitution!
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Posted 2008-10-22, 07:39 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Not to mention the money that is spent..."
Prostitution is only illegal because of the far-right bible thumping crowd. It's another control tactic over women telling them what they can and cannot do with their body. (Men can be whores too, but not nearly as easy).














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Posted 2008-10-22, 07:43 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "Prostitution is only illegal because of..."
The same can be said for pretty much any victimless crime. Victimless crimes, by default, are things that are considered "morally" wrong, and that's why they're illegal. Normal crimes are illegal because of other people being endangered or negatively impacted by the crimes, but the same isn't really true about victimless crimes, and quite often, by making the things illegal, you cause people to be endangered or negatively impacted by the crimes.

Which is more dangerous, going out and finding a drug dealer to buy pot from, or going to your local quik-e-mart and buying some like a pack of cigarettes? Similar cases can be made for prostitution and sex education (which, now, seems a bit off topic because it's not a crime, but I think it fits the theme of the conversation.)
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Posted 2008-10-22, 08:20 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "The same can be said for pretty much..."
I didn't read your post but, there was a comedian that said, "If selling is legal, and sex is legal, then why isn't selling sex legal".
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Posted 2008-10-22, 01:04 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "My opinion is that as long as the..."
Except that they're not going to control it, because they're not making it legal, they're just preventing arrest and investigation. If anything, they're making it worse because now they can do whatever they want since they don't have to worry about being caught. I think that Nevada's law makes much more sense than Proposition K.
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Posted 2008-10-22, 01:24 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "Except that they're not going to..."
Wow, I'm all for sex education K_A but I don't agree with this.
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Posted 2008-10-22, 01:35 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "Except that they're not going to..."
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Except that they're not going to control it, because they're not making it legal, they're just preventing arrest and investigation. If anything, they're making it worse because now they can do whatever they want since they don't have to worry about being caught. I think that Nevada's law makes much more sense than Proposition K.
How do you think Nevada started off? They have to make it illegal to have investigations before moving onto newer, updated legislation.














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Posted 2008-10-22, 03:38 PM in reply to D3V's post "Prostitution to be legalized?"
As I once heard:
"Fucking is legal and selling is legal, so why isn't selling fucking legal!!!!???"
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Posted 2008-10-22, 04:06 PM in reply to Asamin's post starting "As I once heard: "Fucking is legal and..."
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As I once heard:
"Fucking is legal and selling is legal, so why isn't selling fucking legal!!!!???"
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I didn't read your post but, there was a comedian that said, "If selling is legal, and sex is legal, then why isn't selling sex legal".
Am I the only one that finds it ironic neither one of you read this thread. Lulz.














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Posted 2008-10-23, 09:34 AM in reply to D3V's post "Prostitution to be legalized?"
I can see your points of view, but in my eyes decriminalizing it would be like telling your daughter or sister or whoever "Hey, it's alright to be a hooker and be looked at as less of a woman and more of a toy." Also, I'm aiming this towards those prostitutes that stand on a corner and such. I have less of a problem with professionally run brothels.

As a side note, sex ed and prostitution are two entirely different subjects and should not be lumped into the same category.

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Posted 2008-10-23, 10:11 AM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "I can see your points of view, but in..."
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decriminalizing it would be like telling your daughter or sister or whoever "Hey, it's alright to be a hooker and be looked at as less of a woman and more of a toy."
I think it's more like saying "it's alright if that's what you choose to do." I don't think it would encourage them to do it. People make similar arguments against legalizing marijuana, saying that it would basically be like telling kids it's alright to smoke pot, but I really don't think that's the case. People tend to do whatever is "forbidden," thus is why prohibition not only does not work, but makes the problem worse.

Just the same, people make the argument that giving kids condoms or teaching them about sex tells them that it's alright for them to have sex. Once again, this isn't really what's happening. People are going to do these things (Get/be hookers, do drugs, have sex) regardless of whether or not these things are illegal, and making them illegal only makes the problem worse, by putting a drain on our economy, straining our jail system, and essentially making people more likely to do these things.
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Posted 2008-10-23, 11:01 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I think it's more like saying "it's..."
Indeed, the first step to placing control on something is to make it legal. You can't make laws to control something that the law says shouldn't be happening in the first place.
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Posted 2008-10-23, 11:30 AM in reply to WetWired's post starting "Indeed, the first step to placing..."
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Indeed, the first step to placing control on something is to make it legal. You can't make laws to control something that the law says shouldn't be happening in the first place.
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Posted 2008-10-23, 12:56 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "I can see your points of view, but in..."
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I can see your points of view, but in my eyes decriminalizing it would be like telling your daughter or sister or whoever "Hey, it's alright to be a hooker and be looked at as less of a woman and more of a toy." Also, I'm aiming this towards those prostitutes that stand on a corner and such. I have less of a problem with professionally run brothels.

As a side note, sex ed and prostitution are two entirely different subjects and should not be lumped into the same category.
This brings on a new argument. It's basically you need to teach your kids right from wrong, and having sex for money is wrong. Doesn't mean it should be illegal.














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Posted 2008-10-23, 01:48 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "I can see your points of view, but in..."
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I can see your points of view, but in my eyes decriminalizing it would be like telling your daughter or sister or whoever "Hey, it's alright to be a hooker and be looked at as less of a woman and more of a toy." Also, I'm aiming this towards those prostitutes that stand on a corner and such. I have less of a problem with professionally run brothels.

As a side note, sex ed and prostitution are two entirely different subjects and should not be lumped into the same category.
Another thing. Many "moral" types claim that homosexuals should not be given the same rights as heterosexuals because it teaches children (and people in general) that it's "normal" to be gay.

I would assume you disagree with them, though.
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Posted 2008-10-23, 08:50 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Another thing. Many "moral" types..."
I can def see 13 year olds buying for sex now






















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