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Bush won't exclude Iran nuke strike
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Posted 2006-04-18, 09:25 PM
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Tuesday failed to secure international support for targeted sanctions against Iran and President George W. Bush refused to rule out nuclear strikes if diplomacy failed to curb the Islamic Republic's atomic ambitions.

Bush said he would discuss Iran's nuclear activities with China's President Hu Jintao, who has been cool toward sanctions, during his U.S. visit this week.

Asked if his options included planning for a nuclear strike, Bush said: "All options are on the table. We want to solve this issue diplomatically and we're working hard to do so."

But a meeting of major powers in Moscow ended without consensus despite strong U.S. pressure for international sanctions. Washington believes Iraq is trying to build bombs but Tehran says it is only developing nuclear energy.

The meeting of deputy foreign ministers of the U.N. Security Council's permanent members -- The United States, Britain, France, China and Russia -- plus Germany, was called after Tehran declared last week that it had enriched uranium and was aiming for industrial-scale production.

The No. 3 State Department official, Nicholas Burns, argued that sanctions should be imposed on Iran, but Russia and China are resisting and the parties came to no agreement, said State Department spokesman Tom Casey in Washington.

"Burns raised the issue of some form of sanctions and there will need to be further discussions on this," he said after being briefed by U.S. officials about the meeting.

The United States, which already enforces its own sweeping sanctions on Iran, wants the Security Council to be ready for strong diplomatic action, including measures such as a freeze on assets and visa curbs on Iranian officials.

Tehran had vowed to continue its pursuit of nuclear technology, whatever the meeting's outcome.

"Whatever the result of this meeting might be, Iran will not abandon its rights," Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said before the meeting ended.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack stressed that the goal of the Moscow meeting was to make preparations for decisions to be taken in various capitals.

IAEA REPORT DUE

The International Atomic Energy Agency is due to report at the end of the month on whether Iran is complying with U.N. demands that it halt uranium enrichment.

Iran's defiance of world pressure to halt its program drove oil prices to a record high of $72.64 a barrel, raising fears of a cut in supplies from the world's fourth biggest crude exporter.

Speculation about a U.S. attack has mounted since a report in New Yorker magazine said this month the Bush administration was considering the option of using tactical nuclear weapons to knock out Iran's underground nuclear sites.

China, which sent an envoy to Iran to try to defuse the standoff, repeated a call for a negotiated solution. "We hope all sides will maintain restraint and flexibility," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in Beijing.

Russia restated its opposition to punitive action. "We are convinced that neither the sanctions route nor the use of force route will lead to a solution of this problem," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin, according to an Itar-Tass news agency report.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged Iran to suspend its research and development efforts to enrich uranium in a telephone conversation with Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Motaki on Monday, Interfax said.

U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, told the Jerusalem Post that the United States probably could not destroy Iran's nuclear program but could attempt to set it back by strikes as a last resort.

"I think the only justifiable use of military power would be an attempt to deter the development of their nuclear program if we felt there was no other way to do it," he said.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking at an annual military parade, said the army was ready to defend the nation. "It will cut off the hands of any aggressors and will make any aggressor regret it," he declared.

While refusing to drop its right to enrich uranium for peaceful use, Iran has offered to work with the IAEA.

The U.N. nuclear watchdog says it has been unable to verify that Iran's nuclear program is purely civilian but has found no hard proof of efforts to build atomic weapons.

IAEA inspectors are due in Iran on Friday to visit nuclear sites, including one at Natanz where Iran says it has enriched uranium to 3.5 percent, the level used in nuclear power plants.

Experts say it would take Iran years to produce enough highly enriched uranium for one bomb from its current 164 centrifuges. But Iran says it wants to install 3,000 centrifuges, which could make enough material for a warhead in one year.

(Additional reporting by Parisa Hafezi and Alireza Ronaghi in Tehran, Guy Faulconbridge in Moscow, Mark Heinrich in Vienna)
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...id=&cap=&sz=13

Disucss.

Also, note the typo in paragraph 4. "Iran" is misspelled as "Iraq."
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Posted 2006-04-19, 11:43 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post "Bush won't exclude Iran nuke strike"
Seriously? Nuke Iran? Well, there goes the world.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 12:09 PM in reply to Jamesadin's post starting "Seriously? Nuke Iran? Well, there goes..."
If you're going to do it ...don't fucking talk about it ...if they have nukes they're being moved into the U.S. as we speak. I would SERIOUSLY recommend staying away from the big cities and important infastructure.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 01:57 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "If you're going to do it ...don't..."
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If you're going to do it ...don't fucking talk about it ...if they have nukes they're being moved into the U.S. as we speak. I would SERIOUSLY recommend staying away from the big cities and important infastructure.
I don't think any of us live in Iran.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 02:05 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I don't think any of us live in Iran."
I think he means USA.

If Bush goes ahead and Nukes Iran, then someone will retaliate. In which case, best to stay away from big, important cities and infrastructure. That way, there's less chance of you being bombed. Find out the key targets, then move somewhere else, like...The Moon? Safer up there than anywhere else.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 02:06 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I don't think any of us live in Iran."
Well, maybe if we take out our troops, then we can just nuke that whole part of the world. Kill a couple of birdes with one stone. Iraq, Iran, etc all gone. Solve most of our problems
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Posted 2006-04-19, 02:22 PM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "Well, maybe if we take out our troops,..."
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Well, maybe if we take out our troops, then we can just nuke that whole part of the world. Kill a couple of birdes with one stone. Iraq, Iran, etc all gone. Solve most of our problems
Solve our problems? Do you realize how many more problems that would create? Oh.. I don't know.. maybe World War III? Good luck with that.

I'm moving to Canada. I'm sick of this fucking country.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 02:28 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "Solve our problems? Do you realize how..."
COuld you not argue that The War Against Terrorism already holds the spot of WWIII?

It's not a WW in the tradition of WWI and WWII, but still, it's a world war against Terrorisn.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 03:11 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "COuld you not argue that The War..."
I would like to know who would fight us if we were to do it. I mean, the french, italians, russians and germans arent involved so who would come after us?
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Posted 2006-04-19, 03:22 PM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "I would like to know who would fight us..."
Fight you against The War Against Terrorism?

Well, the Terrorists?

For the sake of comparisons, the Terrorists could be the German's under the Kaiser, or the Nazis and the Axis countries.

And you with Tony Blair, are the Allies.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 09:01 PM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "I would like to know who would fight us..."
gruesomeBODY said:
I would like to know who would fight us if we were to do it. I mean, the french, italians, russians and germans arent involved so who would come after us?
I am willing to bet that there will be a massive unified retaliation from any nation that disagrees with us, and they will use that to justify their actions. Any predominantly Islamic nation would definitely retaliate, coupled with others.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 09:26 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I don't think any of us live in Iran."
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I don't think any of us live in Iran.
Yea, I didn't say anyone did ...I was talking about the U.S. .
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Posted 2006-04-19, 09:52 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "If you're going to do it ...don't..."
Willkillforfood said:
...if they have nukes they're being moved into the U.S. as we speak.
Ehh, that's what kind of through me off. Who are you referring to by "they?" Sorry, lol, my brain is fried right now.
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Posted 2006-04-19, 10:14 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Ehh, that's what kind of through me..."
Im not sure but i think he meant Iran. But thats how i read it.
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Posted 2006-04-20, 06:23 AM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "Im not sure but i think he meant Iran...."
I'm pretty sure he meant "They" as in your government.

But why they'd have nukes OUTSIDE of the US is beyond anyone's guess. Whatever happened to your giant silos buried in mountains, under deserts, beneath lakes, and in the next door neighbours dustbin?
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Posted 2006-04-20, 11:24 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "I'm pretty sure he meant "They" as in..."
*Sighs* We're on a war on terrorism and you guys can't piece shit together! :P I'm talking about terrorist groups.
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Posted 2006-04-20, 02:59 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "*Sighs* We're on a war on terrorism..."
Why would the terrorist groups have nukes? There's been no evidence of them having nukes yet, unless the governments have been lying to us all...again.

I doubt they'd actually use a nuke at this stage. Maybe a dirty bomb, but not the full package.
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Posted 2006-04-22, 12:18 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Why would the terrorist groups have..."
i don't suppose anyone has seen the flash cartoon "end of the world", right?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php
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Posted 2006-04-22, 12:28 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Why would the terrorist groups have..."
Lenny said:
Why would the terrorist groups have nukes? There's been no evidence of them having nukes yet, unless the governments have been lying to us all...again.

I doubt they'd actually use a nuke at this stage. Maybe a dirty bomb, but not the full package.
Do you need actual photographic evidence of terrorists carrying around nukes to know that they could possibly have them? A lot of Russian nuclear devices are unaccounted for. Fo realz.

And Sciencekid, about everyone alive has seen that video but it's funny.
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Posted 2006-04-22, 01:23 AM in reply to gruesomeBODY's post starting "I would like to know who would fight us..."
The Chinese would.
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