How did the universe begin?

I'm going to start resurrecting one old thread a week that had good, intelligent activity, and see if maybe that can spark up some good conversation again, so here it is from this week:

I want your personal theory on this. Did god create the universe? Was there something else. Has it always been here? State which side you're taking (i.e. scientific, theological etc.) and try to support it as best you can. Lets try to not turn this into a debate. If you want to comment on someone elses theory, fine, but try to keep this thread from turning into an all-out debate about religion.

So, what do you think?

A female god was bored, decided it'd be funny to let living creatures that aren't omnipotent and omniscient suffer and go through life.

Scientific. Something started the universe somehow, and something will somehow end it.

EDIT: Something being gravity, anti matter. Nothing religious.

Scientific-theological. Something/Someone caused the "Big Bang" and the universe evolved from there. Every planet seems to have it's own story. Ours was just one of the ones that had the right stuff to create life(carbon etc).

ill be the first to say god, but because he wanted peopel to worship him. Not because he just felt like it

May I remind you all that this forum is strictly on-topic.

I believe in both creation and evolution. There are many facts that support evolution however when the question of where it all came from comes up, there dont seem to be any answers. I personally believe the smallest life forms were created by a supreme being, and as time went on they evolved. I mean, evolution is already proven.

I dunno....call me a nerd, but I say we are all digital people in a large video game...why else would there be so much violence and stuff?

Maybe we are all just large blocks of well written artificial intellence that have begun to notice our "reproductive errors" and decided to start fixing them. God and science are boring...and both are wrong...God is just one "player's" interpretation of who programmed us... He/she probably saw it in the sky, and it was really P.O.C....which is Programmer of Creation. In our world of things that he programmed, the clouds are how he communicates with his people...and when they asked who created them, he/she (P.O.C) replied. They saw it upside down and backwards so they read God....i dunno...my theory has more holes than swiss cheese....but it makes life more interesting than thinking some holy dude was bored and made slaves that would eventually die off and he could use their souls, after they are aged to perfection, to feed his "holy miracle machine".....





Nah, but for real...I don't care how it started, as long as it doesn't plan on going anywhere soon....while I am still alive.....O.O

Nah, but for real...I don't care how it started, as long as it doesn't plan on going anywhere soon....while I am still alive.....O.O

That's up to bush.

For me how it all began has been the MOST difficult question I have ever tried to find an answer to. But in all my searches, the one answer that seemed to be the most soothing was that we dont or cant have an answer to it because we are too small to see it. I mean that in the literal sense as well. As in our ENTIRE universe maybe nothing more than an atom in a greater universe. Or as men in black put it, a marbel in some aliens bag.

The entire arguement is something I think we as humans cannot answer until we are able to literally bend space and time. Its something we ask ourselves daily regarding the galaxy, but something we cant even answer on our own planet (the chicken or the egg.)

So like I said, for me, the easiest answer to accept is that we are nothing more than a microscopic part of something bigger and that is why we cannot fathom it. We are too small to see the beginning or the end. Oh....theory btw.

Funny you should say that because that's how I feel. Like even if we explored the entire galaxy we would still have millions of others to explore and who knows what is beyond that.

I believe in both creation and evolution. There are many facts that support evolution however when the question of where it all came from comes up, there dont seem to be any answers. I personally believe the smallest life forms were created by a supreme being, and as time went on they evolved. I mean, evolution is already proven.

same here. i can't remember which one it is called whether it be "creation-evolutionist" or "evolution-creationist" but im pretty sure it's the former. to restate, i think that God(or supreme being, which ever you want to call it/him/her) started the matter and the process, and guided the evolution ever since.. see, science doesn't lie(provided we have the scientific process right), and i believe God doesn't either, even though us humans can lie.
my opinion is that evolution isnt complete without a supreme being, after all you can stick a dissasembled watch in the ground leave it there forever and no matter when you dig it up, it will still stay dissasembled until a "higher being" than that watch puts it together. also a few pieces of the evolutionary theory are comepletely off base.. i will have to look them up again to remember which ones they are....
anyway, as for the multiverse, i think a supreme being "built"(or created, take your pick of the words) the multiverse from nothing... he probably did produced matter by somehow incuring background radiaton and splitting the matter and anti-matter pairs far apart from eachother to create substance. but as for the actual bubble of space... no idea lol......
but the big bang has been proven somewhat because the galaxies are moving farther and farther apart from eachother which mean that somthing set them in motion a long time ago. and since nothing has hit the walls yet, that probably means that the multiverse is expanding as well

We are all just tiny bacteria on peanuts in this giant turd of a universe.


But really...I never really went by the whole supreme being creating everthing idea.

Heh, well the Genisis is amusing, but I don't put any stock into it. Especially because of the fact that it reminds me of "See spot run."

I don't have much of a theory on this subject, I don't really question why we're here or how we got here, we just kind of are. Theres not much of an explanation for anything. Why do we have opposable thumbs? Well because they're usefull. Yeah, so? Doesn't mean we were supposed to have them. There's really too many possibilities for how the universe was created.

We evolved, I think most likely the universe did too.

We are all just tiny bacteria on peanuts in this giant turd of a universe. But really...I never really went by the whole supreme being creating everthing idea.

Tiny bacteria? simple even?

Take a look at this picture of the eubacterial flagellum. The flagellum is an ion-powered rotary motor, anchored in the membranes surrounding the bacterial cell. This schematic diagram highlights the assembly process of the bacterial flagellar filament and the cap-filament complex.



An irreducibly complex structure is defined as ". . . a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning." (Behe 1996a, 39) Why would such systems present difficulties for Darwinism? Because they could not possibly have been produced by the process of evolution:

"An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly by numerous, successive, slight modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional. .... Since natural selection can only choose systems that are already working, then if a biological system cannot be produced gradually it would have to arise as an integrated unit, in one fell swoop, for natural selection to have anything to act on." (Behe 1996b)

The phrase "numerous, successive, slight modifications" is not accidental. The very same words were used by Charles Darwin in The Origin of Species in describing the conditions that had to be met for his theory to be true. As Darwin wrote, if one could find an organ or structure that could not have been formed by "numerous, successive, slight modifications," his "theory would absolutely break down" (Darwin 1859, 191). To anti-evolutionists, the bacterial flagellum is now regarded as exactly such a case – an "irreducibly complex system" which "cannot be produced directly by numerous successive, slight modifications." A system that could not have evolved!

It is the simpleist life yet it is very complex. A motor that if one part did not work, the whole operation falls apart!

I believe in both creation and evolution. There are many facts that support evolution however when the question of where it all came from comes up, there dont seem to be any answers. I personally believe the smallest life forms were created by a supreme being, and as time went on they evolved. I mean, evolution is already proven.

actually..its not proven...

microevolution..YES
macroevolution...NO!!!!

adaption to environment is not evolution....

..the changing of one kind of animal turning into a completely other animal has ever been found studied or observed....

..a dog is a dog is a pitbull is a wolf..its still a KIND of animal...

without evolution hoax there is nothing but God the creator to believe in...

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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and what about evolution of chemicals? Or what about RNA and information?
what came first the chicken or the egg considering information inside DNA makes everthing tick....protein sequencing and amino acids? the sun and moon and earths precise relationship?

watch this little movie...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...igent+ design

check this free text book out...
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/PartI.html

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolu...e_big_hoax.htm

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Oh my! Well, since you put it that way, Jesus, please do not smite me.

Oh my! Well, since you put it that way, Jesus, please do not smite me.

unless you are a moneychanger...you are safe with me!

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

You are extremely ignorant. Religion is simply another way to control the masses.