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The Third Game in the Game Series Formerly Known as Diablo
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Posted 2008-06-30, 07:30 AM
Some of you who played Diablo 1 and/or 2, should have noticed that in the storyline you (the adventurers) succeded in slaying the demon Diablo (and his brothers elsewhere) in Hell. To my knowledge, Demons that are slain on Sanctuary (the primary plane of existence, where mortals live in the Diablo-world) are simply reborn in Hell. Demons that are killed in hell, die permanently (I think, other sources may contradict this though.) Even if Diablo did die in Hell, he would have reborn due to his soulstone. But the adventurers crushed it upon the Hellforge, thus Diablo is (I assume) permanently destroyed.

Now, Blizzard announced a third game in the series, named Diablo 3. Blizzard isn't known to surprise their gamers, but this seems odd still. Diablo is dead - why would they name the third game in the series Diablo as well? Sure it would lead to confusion, but people will assume that a game named Diablo will properly be focused around something called Diablo.

Or am I wrong?

(Also, now that the Worldstone is broken - will the borders between the worlds be broken? And will Inarius from the Sin War make an appearance? Now that the Prime Evils are dead (Super Diablo Bros.) will the Lesser Evils (Andariel, Duriel, Azmodan and Belial (maybe Lilith?) rise up to the roles of big bad mega-villains?)

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Posted 2008-06-30, 09:32 AM in reply to Yawgmoth's post "The Third Game in the Game Series..."
Yeah, um, adventurers crushed Mephisto's soulstone on the hell forge...not Diablo's.
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Posted 2008-06-30, 10:05 AM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "Yeah, um, adventurers crushed..."
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Yeah, um, adventurers crushed Mephisto's soulstone on the hell forge...not Diablo's.
I think in one of the movies it shows you doing the same thing with Diablo's once you kill him in act 4.

Either way, all of the soulstones were destroyed in Diablo 2.

Some people suspect that the worldstone might have something to do with it. Baal supposedly corrupted the worldstone, which meant that Tyrael had to destroy it (so he claimed.) Some say that Tyrael might have gotten a shard stuck in him or something, and may have gotten corrupted himself. Perhaps Diablo will take over Tyrael's body similar to the hero from Diablo 1. A Tyrael/Diablo combo would be pretty badass.

Some people also theorize that Tyrael might have been bad all along. There are hints of that throughout Diablo 2, and it's not completely unlikely that it could be true. However, that doesn't explain how Diablo comes back.

Diablo is in the trailer for Diablo 3, though, so I would suspect he'll be in the game somehow. Who knows? For now, we can only speculate.
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Posted 2008-06-30, 11:48 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I think in one of the movies it shows..."
Put a goblin and a demon in the cube, out comes Diablo?
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Posted 2008-06-30, 12:10 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "Put a goblin and a demon in the cube,..."
No! It's Wirt's Leg and Deckard Cain inside the cube. Everyone knows that Deckard Cain is Diablo...
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Posted 2008-06-30, 02:11 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I think in one of the movies it shows..."
The "Diablo" in the teaser could be a... Diablo Clone? Also note that the Diablo had shoulder-mouths... Weirdish.

Also, according to the back story - it was Tyrael that made the High Heavens decide to keep Sanctuary and it's mortals, and that he has been an ally to the mortals (descendants of the Nephalem (Diablo version of Nephilim)) for a very, very long time. Apparently some sort of fallen mega-angel created Sanctuary and before that there was merely the High Heavens and the Burning Hell. Which seems quite boring. Although, I guess the years Tyrael spent amongst humans might have made him susceptible to corruption...

(And as !K_A! said, you destroy the Diablo-soulstone in a video.)

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Posted 2008-06-30, 03:01 PM in reply to Yawgmoth's post starting "The "Diablo" in the teaser could be..."
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The "Diablo" in the teaser could be a... Diablo Clone? Also note that the Diablo had shoulder-mouths... Weirdish.

Also, according to the back story - it was Tyrael that made the High Heavens decide to keep Sanctuary and it's mortals, and that he has been an ally to the mortals (descendants of the Nephalem (Diablo version of Nephilim)) for a very, very long time. Apparently some sort of fallen mega-angel created Sanctuary and before that there was merely the High Heavens and the Burning Hell. Which seems quite boring. Although, I guess the years Tyrael spent amongst humans might have made him susceptible to corruption...

(And as !K_A! said, you destroy the Diablo-soulstone in a video.)
I've recently heard people saying that even destroying their soulstones doesn't do anything but send them back to hell. They have to be slain in hell to be slain for good. Or so some people are saying. I suppose I don't know enough to know for sure.
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Posted 2008-07-01, 09:32 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I've recently heard people saying that..."
So, our brave adventurers killed Diablo in Hell and destroyed his soulstone (also in Hell), thus he should be deader than dead. Like... Triple-dead or something. Anyway, I assume Blizzard will do some random excuse and OMG DIABLO IS ALIVE BECAUSE WORLDSTONE!

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Posted 2008-07-01, 09:37 AM in reply to Yawgmoth's post starting "So, our brave adventurers killed Diablo..."
Meh, I'm not sure I care how it's happening. The point is, I'm getting the chance to stomp his firey red ass one more time.
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Posted 2008-07-01, 09:47 AM in reply to Vault Dweller's post starting "Meh, I'm not sure I care how it's..."
Without some internal game logic the storyline will implode! We need some stupid reason for his resurrection or we will be angry! (Actually a simple: "It didn't kill him" would be enough for me as Diablo is bad-ass, also "Not even death can save you from me! *demonic laughter*" is a good arch-villain line.)

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Posted 2008-07-01, 10:34 AM in reply to Yawgmoth's post starting "Without some internal game logic the..."
Maybe it's an imposter? Surely out of all the demons there's one ambitious enough to try to fill Diablo's shoes.
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Posted 2008-07-01, 12:02 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "Maybe it's an imposter? Surely out of..."
Here's something I've just found. It's some sort of Barbarian prophecy called "The Prophecies of the Final Day"

"And a child will cradle Terror in his breast as the heart of man falls under the shadow.

A Wanderer will pass through the ancient lands trailing chaos in his wake.

The Three Brothers will be reunited as the mortal world trembles before their might.

And so it was foretold that the Three, once reunited, would be shattered again—

Their defeat would be illusory—that the final gambit had yet to be played..."


"And now at last the storm surges forth from the southlands, and the hand of Destruction

Reaches out to undo the workings of the Ancients. The tides of Hell surge—ready to smash

Down upon the shores of the mortal world — to drown the guilty and the innocent alike."




I think it's from one of the books or something like that. This part is what intrigues me the most:

"And so it was foretold that the Three, once reunited, would be shattered again—

Their defeat would be illusory—that the final gambit had yet to be played..."
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Posted 2008-07-01, 12:14 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Here's something I've just found. It's..."
Well, does it really matter that the storyline will be far-fetched? I mean, it's just a video game. At least it has some sort of story line...
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Posted 2008-07-01, 12:47 PM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "Well, does it really matter that the..."
Personally i think its going to be gay. Too much like WoW. It'll be P2P i already know.
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Posted 2008-07-01, 07:14 PM in reply to slaynish's post starting "Personally i think its going to be gay...."
They will get so much shit from so many people if they make it p2p that they would need to change it. Diablo has never been p2p, why should they start now? They are fine with WoW and the D3 sales will be so high that p2p won't be needed.
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Posted 2008-07-01, 08:05 PM in reply to Asamin's post starting "They will get so much shit from so many..."
Well they're making a new Battle.net for D3 and SC2. They might make that B.net pay to play.
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Posted 2008-07-02, 04:17 AM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "Well, does it really matter that the..."
Video games are a form of culture, would you say that the storyline in a book/movie doesn't matter because they usually do not have such? (Semi-bad example...) In a game such as Diablo, the storyline has to at least feel like it works with the in-game logic. (real world logic is for the weak.)

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Posted 2008-07-02, 08:44 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Well they're making a new Battle.net..."
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Well they're making a new Battle.net for D3 and SC2. They might make that B.net pay to play.
I disagree with this. The big thing they have always made about bnet was that it was f2p. That was how they got so many people to play their game, the promise of free online play.


Even if they do make it p2p, you can imagine how much they would lose in returns.
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Posted 2008-07-02, 09:06 AM in reply to Asamin's post starting "I disagree with this. The big thing..."
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I disagree with this. The big thing they have always made about bnet was that it was f2p. That was how they got so many people to play their game, the promise of free online play.


Even if they do make it p2p, you can imagine how much they would lose in returns.
I doubt they would lose much. Are you saying you wouldn't play Diablo 3 if they made it pay to play?

I could say that as well, but I'd be full of shit.
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Posted 2008-07-02, 09:34 AM in reply to Asamin's post starting "I disagree with this. The big thing..."
I'm sure you can still make a p2p connection with your friends without going through battle.net and play for free if they require payment for battle.net. If nothing else, I'm sure it'll have a LAN multiplayer option and people will use a virtual LAN program.

Actually, you're right. If battle.net requires payment, Blizzard will lose a bunch of money because people will do multiplayer by virtual LAN and won't need a unique CD key.
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