I have a problem.

I honestly don't know, but I am not going to say he is any less qualified than I am to raise children. It has always been my opinion, however, that it is the mother's place to raise the children, unless otherwise discussed by the parties involved. That in no way means that I think the father should not be involved at all.

That's more of a conservative approach, however I would be lying if I didn't say that I see more women than men with the patience and love to raise a child.

Being a female doesn't make you any more qualified to raise a child than a male once a child is past breastfeeding.

As a generalization, that's disputable.

I don't really see how having a vagina makes a woman more qualified. You might say that women are more gentle than men in general, but that isn't always true. There are some very gentle men and very brutish women.

Being a female doesn't make you any more qualified to raise a child than a male once a child is past breastfeeding. And really, breastfeeding isn't a necessity.

One, I already stated that I was not saying that the father was any less qualified than the mother.

Two, I also stated, that it is my OPINION that a mother should do the general child rasing. Plus, the only reason breastfeeding is not an issue now is because we have formula. Otherwise, the mother would be needed in order for the baby to survive.

I don't really see how having a vagina makes a woman more qualified. You might say that women are more gentle than men in general, but that isn't always true. There are some very gentle men and very brutish women.

Well, there is more of an evolutionary imperative for the mother to stay and nurture her child rather than the father due to the fact that the mother has a relatively limited number of gametes so she must nurture her young, whereas a father has practically an indefinite amount. The mother would have to adapt to be the natural nurturer.

Of course, you could make the counter-argument that the way that society is structured today the father may in fact be the better nurturer.

However, from the biological facts I have read it seems to me that the mother would be better in a natural setting to raise her young. There is circumstantial evidence for this. But this is just a generalization on my part. It is a theory I subscribe to. I never stated it as fact that the mother was better. I simply said that your statement was disputable.

Alright well when we go back to living in caves I'll agree with you. Until then, I don't think gender really has that much to do with it. I've seen some really shitty moms and I've seen some really shitty dads.

You don't have to bring in your parents as examples; we know.

Good one slugger.

Alright well when we go back to living in caves I'll agree with you. Until then, I don't think gender really has that much to do with it. I've seen some really shitty moms and I've seen some really shitty dads.

Yeah, I don't think any of us are saying there are not shitty moms as well as dads. As far as shitty moms goes, my girlfriend's mom is a perfect example of just that. When Nyx was born, her mom took her to her mother's house for her parents to raise because she did not want to do it. Then, when she had Nyx's brothers, she tried to do the same thing, but this time her dad told her that they had already raised one child for her, and that she was damn well going to take her boys and take care of them. Even now, she does nothing but sit around and do drugs, living with her crippled mother, while expecting others to help her and raise her children for her. She even had the gall enough to tell me and Nyx when we spent the night over there to take care of Nyx's grandmother, that it was shitty of us to bring food over for ourselves and none for the boys, even though we gladly shared with them. Then, when we went to leave, we were leaving the food behind that was left over because we did not need it at the house, and her mom said "oh we don't need it".

So yes, there are bad mothers out there. I was not denying that. But, for the mothers who give a shit, and actually nurture their children, then it should be them who does the raising in my opinion. After all, mothers are the ones who carry and birth the child, and if it were not for advances, they would also always be feeding them in the first 6 months or so.

Honestly, I think we need more family values as it is. I am not saying the mother should stay home or anything, but people who get married should stay that way and raise the family they wanted to have. I understand there are some cases where the relationship between the mother and father is just in no way going to work, but there are too many cases where the couple just doesn't try at all. In this case, both the mother and father would have 100% active roles in the child’s life, rather than splitting it up to when the courts see fit.

I used a Louisville on that one.

Gaara is the man. Hunsy, you seem to have your heart in the right place. Please don't take offense off anything you see on Zelaron. We're all dicks.

Honestly, I think we need more family values as it is. I am not saying the mother should stay home or anything, but people who get married should stay that way and raise the family they wanted to have. I understand there are some cases where the relationship between the mother and father is just in no way going to work, but there are too many cases where the couple just doesn't try at all. In this case, both the mother and father would have 100% active roles in the child’s life, rather than splitting it up to when the courts see fit.

Family values are an ever-changing concept, what most people perceive as traditional family values is rarely an opportunity these days outside of the upper middle class because it is nigh-impossible to have a family operating above the poverty level on the income of 1 parent.

Family values are an ever-changing concept, what most people perceive as traditional family values is rarely an opportunity these days outside of the upper middle class because it is nigh-impossible to have a family operating above the poverty level on the income of 1 parent.

That is true, but, having a family does not mean that only one parent works, while the other stays at home. I don't think that really the "traditional" family values of mom stays home, dad works is what we need, people just need to be more aware of what they are doing. Like I said before, there are some cases where it is just not going to be worked out, but most couples break up now a days for stupid reasons.